I know that for CIV IV there is a specific patch to the program itself that should allow you to run it without having the CD in the drive. I don't believe it actually needs the CD for the game content once installed. I don't have the patch (I don't play CIV) but I don't believe it's hard to come by in fact a quick google for CIV IV cd patch came up with some interesting results. ymmv Micah --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss