Well, beer costs money to make one way or another. So a free beer is only going to taste good if it's chilled. In order to maintain that level of coolness, the proper precautions must be met in order to deliver that beer to the counter. Anyone is free to say anything they want, regardless of the consequences. Once people start figuring out that some people get upset (and justifiably at that!) at certain speech, they begin to alter the way they speak in an effort to keep that speech free separated from harassment. Certainly, there is no cost to the end user of a free beer. Simply consume and enjoy. Cheering about it would constitute free speech, indeed. For free speech, there is no price. No cost. (beer) No price. (speech) The difference? According to Webster's dictionary, 'price' refers to the value or worth of something. 'Cost' refers to the expense or penalty that it takes to produce something. This seems rather like an analogy to source code and compiled binaries. There are the basic building blocks of the word 'Free', as used with the term "Free Software", as I have interpreted them. Of course, that's just my interpretation, and as such is open to scrutiny, argument and debate. -Scott der.hans wrote: > Am 20. Mar, 2007 schwätzte Darrin Chandler so: > >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 06:01:30PM -0700, der.hans wrote: >>> Does using no cost help differentiate the no cost definition from the >>> unfettered and freedom definitions of free? >> >> When you say 'free' to the typical American it already means 'no cost.' >> When you talk to FOSS people and say 'no cost' it's probably obvious >> that you mean "as in beer." >> >> It's the "Free as in Freedom" term that's trouble getting across by >> saying 'free.' And 'libre' just doesn't fit into normal conversation >> well. > > Not in english. Unfettered doesn't fill the normal vocabulary bill > either. > > I'm trying to emphasize Free as in Freedom whenever I say Free Software, > therefore I want another phrase for no cost when I talk about free as in > beer. > > ciao, > > der.hans > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss