Branching the subject slightly. Also, for those that may at some future date, be out of range of cable or dsl and have to use dialup, IF the phone line coming onto your property has two lines/numbers, you wont get 56k either. Reason, it costs a couple thousand dollars for a second 'pure' line equipment wise, wire wise etc, but the phone company can install a simple cheap splitter on that ONE wire and each phone sounds fine, but the MAX speed is now 1/2! So about 26.4kbs is it. In fact, they can split that one wire 4 ways. Just imagine sitting there at 12kbs dialup!! I knew one person that had that and the phone company wouldn't do a thing. The former owner had 4 phone lines put in as he ran a business there years before. And that was 'out of range' of the dsl and cox didn't do cable modems there yet either. US WEST, the former phone co, wanted about $2k to run a clean 56k capable line into the property!! They wouldn't just take out the splitters on that line! I have a word for them, but it isn't allowed on this list! How do I know, Been involved with that mess. TWICE!! Sure is a PITA sitting there at 26.4kbs with a 56k modem. I have dsl now, but that was what I had years ago. One apartment I had, on the bright side, with dialup would most of the time give speeds of 90kbs or so. I had a USR modem that for some reason would walk that fast when the line did let it. *****/////*****/////***** Ed Culbertson/ke7feg Remember Katrina? For several days, only hams could get out, and talk to others dependably. No Morse Code required after Feb 23, 2007! Just pass the written tests! http://www.arrl.org/ Long live Knoppix, and Puppy Live Linux cd's. ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss