Josh, This is the last I'll say about the matter. I have no problem with people investing in getting a degree. Indeed I believe I said I considered them to be valuable and important. I never once said they didn't count. I implied that they didn't tell the whole story. I only mentioned my lack thereof as a matter of full disclosure. I am not interested in defending my choices or explaining my life to you. If you measure the worth of an individual's technology skills *based on their degree alone* then it is my personal belief that you may be missing out on some genuine talent. That is however your choice and it's certainly your right to do so. I simply wanted to bring another perspective to the table. Since you brought up Bill Gates, I figured we might as well mention that he has no degree and, regardless of what you or I might think of him, he is arguably the most successful technology entrepreneur of our time and by all accounts a very intelligent and driven individual. Steve Jobs doesn't have one either. Neither does Larry Ellison, Paul Allen, Steve Wozniak, Michael Dell, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla, Michael Faraday, Alexander Graham Bell, Henry Ford, Philo T. Farnsworth or Thomas Watson. I wouldn't consider any of these people to be lazy, or "an absolute idiot" to use your phrase. Each of these individuals has made what I consider to be substantial contributions to technology and the advancement of science. Perhaps you feel differently. Again, that is your perspective and I have one that differs. I am by no means saying that people should not pursue degrees or education. I personally believe that education is one of the most important aspects of success. But a college degree does not necessarily guarantee someone success and the lack thereof does not guarantee someone's failure. All the best. Micah --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss