I know what I want. ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/2003 (cd1 and 2) This is the only thing that worked 100% on my system. Geting The aps of that year is going to be a challenge. Would anyone be able to give me pointers on finding them? I don't know what is on cd2. Supposedly 1000s of other programs but who knows. I guess that an apt-get wouldn't work because that will try to upgrade KDE which is what is breaking everything. I don't think ubuntu, kubuntu, no xubuntu would work well if gnome and KDE are pretty much the same in what they use. (xubuntu uses modern gnome and KDE applications) I humbly entreat your assistance in this matter. I'm all ears to other suggestions! So this is why they put together a bunch of programs with a release of an os! Pretty good idea. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss