There's always the 'granular approach' type 'about:config' in the address bar. You can filter with a word like 'proxy' Craig On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 15:05 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 04. Jan, 2007 schwätzte Dazed_75 so: > > > I think you actually made the argument that they ARE mutually exclusive. At > > Hmm, not the point I was trying to make. > > Default to a direct connection to the Internet or automagically detected > proxy. > > Then, for those of us that need to use several proxies, need to be able to > turn them on and off and whatever, have an advanced menu where I can > enable those config sections. > > ciao, > > der.hans > > > least if you accept that the majority of the herd does not want to make > > those choices. But in any case, I only said almost mutually exclusive > > because I agree that a set of "sane" defaults is best so that even those > > folks have to make some decision and the rest of us can make ours. IOW, > > nobody gets a product that is initially ideal to them but does get the > > ability to make it the way they prefer. > > > > On 1/3/07, der.hans wrote: > >> > >> Am 03. Jan, 2007 schwätzte Dazed_75 so: > >> > >> > I suspect the issue may be more related to the extensions themselves. I > >> did > >> > the update before seeing this thread. But when I did see this I looked > >> and > >> > the extensions window shows all 6 that I use but three of them show a > >> button > >> > for an update being available. > >> > >> The extensions didn't even show up. I was expecting that I might have to > >> update one or two, but wasn't expecting them to disappear entirely. > >> > >> > Jery, I am beginning to suspect that a part of M$ success and some of > >> the > >> > changing directions in Linux is because a LOT of people WANT to be > >> stupid > >> > when it comes to computers. What I want is the ability to make the > >> choices > >> > and that is the rub since so many people want the "freedom" not to have > >> to > >> > make choices. The bad thing is that the two approaches are almost > >> mutually > >> > >> I think they aren't mutually exclusive. > >> > >> > exclusive. To service the ones who want to be "stupid about computers" > >> it > >> > is necessary to shield them even from the fact there is a choice to > >> make. > >> > If you don't do that you will not appeal to the masses. If you do it > >> you > >> > annoy the techies for whom you have made choices without their consent. > >> > >> They need to sane defaults. It would also be nice if we had ways of > >> universally disabling certain mechanisms. The javascript preferences > >> are great. I'd also like to ban extensions from having network > >> connectivity, or at least from having network connectivity to someplace > >> other than the web page being viewed. > >> > >> > Maybe all OS's and applications need a Smart/Dumb button the user can > >> press > >> > anytime to expose/hide the option choices. Ooooh, and the > >> > designer/developer job just got a bunch harder. How about a > >> SmartER/DumbER > >> > button? > >> > >> Software needs sane defaults with a simple interface. It also needs the > >> ability to get to a more detailed interface if you want it. > >> > >> Not everybody needs a way to disable the blink tag, but I'm betting most > >> of us on the list want to make sure it's dead :). > >> > >> Most people don't need a complex proxy setup, so no need to have that open > >> by default. For those of us who need it, there could be a mechanism to > >> enable more details. > >> > >> When it comes down to it we all need more complexity sometimes, but > >> generally we want it to at least work well by default. I have no interest > >> in getting to know the intricacies of what can be done with a word > >> processor, so I want OpenOffice.org to just work and to work securely. > >> > >> vim, OTOH, I want to be able to customize in 3 different languages and > >> have automatic adjustments based on the phase of the moon... > >> > >> ciao, > >> > >> der.hans > >> -- > >> # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.CiscoLearning.org/ > >> # Join the League of Professional System Administrators > >> https://LOPSA.org/ > >> # "We should not be building surveillance technology into standards. > >> # Law enforcement was not supposed to be easy. > >> # Where it is easy, it's called a police state." -- Jeff Schiller > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.CiscoLearning.org/ > # Join the League of Professional System Administrators https://LOPSA.org/ > # "He read his obituary with confusion." -- Steven Meretzky > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Craig White --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss