Thanks! I'll check them out. As a side note, I was surprised when my son plugged his Sony PSP into his Simply MEPIS computer, and it read it as a 2 Gig removable drive. On Tuesday 26 December 2006 5:17 pm, Ryan Meldrum wrote: > Speaking of PMP's, I did the same a few years ago. I wanted something with > a good sized HD, (30+gb) that played MP3, FLAC, WMA, WAV, OGG and found > iRiver's IHP140. Had a 40gb HD, FM tuner and optical In/Out. Could record > to WAV or to MP3. At the time, it was 249, $100 cheaper than Apple's 30mb > Ipod, but with more features... > > Also, Linux see's it as a USB attached storage device using VFat, so they > are linux R/W compatible. There is a python program to build the database > if you wish to use it (the database does play by Album, artist, song, > genre...but is not necessary to xfer files.) > > iRiver still support OGG, just make sure you read the labels. > > http://www.iriveramerica.com > > Fry's, carries them as well. > > On Tuesday 26 December 2006 3:01 pm, stu wrote: > > Anyone who knows better, feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong... > > My son has gone through a few CD players over the years, and it's been > > my experience that almost all of them WILL play OGG files. The same seems > > to be true with playing audio files in most home CD/DVD players as well > > (Look at any commercial audio CD filesystem in your computer, and you'll > > see OGG files are present on them as well). So, why does it seem to be > > kept such a secret? I was shopping around for a PMP that played OGG files > > this Christmas, and had very limited success. Here's as much of an > > explanation as I could figure out from the research I did on the matter. > > I seems that the DMCA, which is the law that makes it illegal to copy > > any copy protected digital material for pretty much *any* reason, relies > > heavily on DRM to enforce it. DRM is basically a MicroSoft invention, and > > MicroSoft refuses to work with open formats like Ogg/Vorbis because they > > cannot control the open source development of them. Since MicroSoft > > controls 95% of the desktop market, that makes it essentially *illegal* > > to sell or promote Ogg/Vorbis friendly hardware in the U.S. of A. no > > matter how popular the format is in the rest of the world. It's a grey > > area to be sure, but grey enough that US merchants won't touch it. > > If I want an Ogg/Vorbis compatible PMP, I'll likely have to order one > > from England. > > > > On Monday 25 December 2006 6:48 pm, der.hans wrote: > > > moin moin, > > > > > > I've been looking for a car stereo that plays ogg for my $gf for a long > > > time. Mostly, I haven't been all that serious, but in the last couple > > > of month I decided it was time to finally replace the borken unit she > > > has. > > > > > > I started with the list from xiph. > > > > > > http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/StaticPlayers#Car_Audio > > > > > > Doesn't look too promising. I searched for several of them online, but > > > was unable to find them available. > > > > > > I finally broke down and went to a couple of stores. I found nothing > > > that mentioned ogg, vorbis or flac. Hadn't expected to. > > > > > > Found no one that had heard of them either. Hadn't expected to. One of > > > the sales guys at a Best Buy suggested I bring in a CD and try it. > > > > > > Finally got a chance a few days ago. I went equipped with a CD of ogg > > > I've burned ( and it turns out I also got some mp3s off a podcast I > > > grab ), a USB thumb drive with ogg from a local band ( > > > www.TravelerMusic.com ) and an SD card with a mix of ogg and mp3. > > > > > > Haven't used CF for so long I didn't have any with me. > > > > > > I walked into another Best Buy and after getting permission from the > > > sales guy I started sticking my devices into decks they had up for > > > display. As it turned out the 3 I tried all worked. Well, for some > > > value of worked. > > > > > > All 3 had USB ports. First I tried the less expensive of the two JVC > > > units with USB ports. Stuck the thumb drive in and Traveler came up, no > > > problems. I was amazed. > > > > > > Next I tried a pioneer, I think. It also worked. Finally I tried an > > > insignia ( turns out this is the Best Buy in house brand ). That also > > > worked. > > > > > > I tried the CD in all three. The Insigna model played off off the CD > > > just fine. The other two only played the mp3s :(. The Insignia also has > > > an SD slot. off played from that as well. I was sold. > > > > > > Insignia's NS-C5111 CD Car deck > > > > > > http://www.insignia-products.com/pc-127-16-insignia-40w-x-4-ipod-ready- > > >cd -d eck-with-cd-rrwmp3wma-playback.aspx > > > > > > Best Buy also offers a 4 year replacement warrantee for $20. $gf now > > > has a car stereo that's warranteed to play ogg for 4 years. At that > > > point either ogg support will be easy to get or it'll be irrelevant. > > > > > > She's overjoyed about the new stereo and happy that she'll be able to > > > create her own mobile collections because she knows how to use thumb > > > drives and SD cards. > > > > > > It looked like all 3 were picking up the tags from the files. I'll test > > > the Insignia more once we have it installed. > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans -- Microsoft needs people who can do as they're told... GNU/Linux needs people who can tell as they do. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss