vielen danken! it's great to have such informative
discussion. 

-j

--- Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hans,
> 
>   You are completely on point with these remarks. 
> Much appreciated!
> 
> danke,
> 
> -jmz
> 
> 
> On 9/14/06, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
> > Am 13. Sep, 2006 schwätzte Josh Coffman so:
> >
> > >>   Does it matter who is 'sponsoring' Mono?  The
> > >> entire project is
> > >> entirely dependent on the edicts of Microsoft
> Inc.
> > >>
> > >
> > > What is the history of the Java VM? I personally
> don't
> > > know. Did Sun implement it for every platform?
> Or were
> > > some platform VM's implemented outside of Sun?
> >
> > Sun wrote the original VM and ported it to a
> couple of OSen. Some other
> > vendors purchased licenses to the Sun VM and did
> ports themselves ( the
> > IBM port to GNU/Linux ).
> >
> > Sun did allow people to view the VM license for no
> cost under an AT&T
> > style tainted license, which is how we got
> Blackdown. Sun did various
> > things to undermine the Blackdown effort including
> claiming they would
> > support the port and then not supporting it and
> then later claiming it as
> > their own...
> >
> > Pertinent to Josh Z's point, I think, is that Java
> is now under the
> > control of a standards body and Sun no longer
> controls it. That means Sun
> > can't yank the rug out from under a Free Software
> group that implements
> > compilers and VMs for the Java language. I'm not
> sure Beans, etc. are
> > open standards.
> >
> > The m$ languages are not standards and are
> controlled directly by m$.
> > Additionally, m$ holds certain patents on how
> these languages are
> > implemented.
> >
> > As I understand it, implementation requires using
> those patents. As I
> > understand it, m$ has allowed use of those patents
> for implementing
> > certain things, but has in no uncertain terms
> *NOT* claimed that such use
> > is permanent and unrevocable.
> >
> > In other words, m$ has many ways to suddenly yank
> the carpet out from
> > under the feet of people using MONO.
> >
> > I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else one
> way or the other. Just
> > pointing out problems I see.
> >
> > I might not correctly understand the situation.
> Until recently I did not
> > know that Java was under the control of a
> standards group that isn't
> > controlled by Sun.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
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