Hans,

  You are completely on point with these remarks.  Much appreciated!

danke,

-jmz


On 9/14/06, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
> Am 13. Sep, 2006 schwätzte Josh Coffman so:
>
> >>   Does it matter who is 'sponsoring' Mono?  The
> >> entire project is
> >> entirely dependent on the edicts of Microsoft Inc.
> >>
> >
> > What is the history of the Java VM? I personally don't
> > know. Did Sun implement it for every platform? Or were
> > some platform VM's implemented outside of Sun?
>
> Sun wrote the original VM and ported it to a couple of OSen. Some other
> vendors purchased licenses to the Sun VM and did ports themselves ( the
> IBM port to GNU/Linux ).
>
> Sun did allow people to view the VM license for no cost under an AT&T
> style tainted license, which is how we got Blackdown. Sun did various
> things to undermine the Blackdown effort including claiming they would
> support the port and then not supporting it and then later claiming it as
> their own...
>
> Pertinent to Josh Z's point, I think, is that Java is now under the
> control of a standards body and Sun no longer controls it. That means Sun
> can't yank the rug out from under a Free Software group that implements
> compilers and VMs for the Java language. I'm not sure Beans, etc. are
> open standards.
>
> The m$ languages are not standards and are controlled directly by m$.
> Additionally, m$ holds certain patents on how these languages are
> implemented.
>
> As I understand it, implementation requires using those patents. As I
> understand it, m$ has allowed use of those patents for implementing
> certain things, but has in no uncertain terms *NOT* claimed that such use
> is permanent and unrevocable.
>
> In other words, m$ has many ways to suddenly yank the carpet out from
> under the feet of people using MONO.
>
> I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else one way or the other. Just
> pointing out problems I see.
>
> I might not correctly understand the situation. Until recently I did not
> know that Java was under the control of a standards group that isn't
> controlled by Sun.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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