well, i have to use alltel because that is the ONLY carrier that works where my cabin is (yarnell) other carriers say they work, but my friends have been up there with everyone else (t mobile, verizon, sprint) and none of them work, or they work only in one tiny corner of the yard, and i don't want to put up a phone booth :). everyone who lives up there full time, uses alltel as well. so i'm stuck with them. i don't need to buy 'open' or unlocked if the phone was previously an alltel phone. these are refurbished with guarantee and i can extend the guarantee with ebay for $25. this is the blue bay link http://cgi.ebay.com/ALLTEL-PALMONE-TREO-650-PALM-PDA-BLUETOOTH-CELL-PHONE_W0QQitemZ300003669970QQihZ020QQcategoryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem i think you have to have the "-" in the blue-bay-electronics, they have 9326 sales with 97% positive.... so.... yes, i hate the idea of getting electronics from the ebay route.... aghhh. will continue to toss this idea around in my head for a few days more, it is a tax deduction. so that is a positive. but just the hassle if there is a problem, is holding me back. -- betty i. www.WebCanine.com research & information for people who care for dogs --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss