I gave my son Interactive 386/ix Unix back in 1994, but that did not work out too well for him. A friend came in and helped him install Slackware. I wasn't paying close attention, but I think that must have been in 1994 or 1995. (The conventional wisdom at that time was that nobody could install Linux for the first time unless accompanied by someone who had already succeeded. A sort of apostolic succession ...) His next installation -- I went along for this -- was at the offices of Indirect.com (Michael March, are you still out there?), one of *the* first ISP startups in the world and most famous for having hosted the first spammers, Cantor & Siegal. (Indirect.com went to its knees for hours due to the flood of outraged emails from that incident.) The slick way to install Linux in those days was to get hold of a Thin Ethernet card (we had one, woohoo!) and cable yourself to another box that had the packages. Downloading across the desk at megabit speeds, Wow! I remember going to some PLUG stammtisch events in the later 90's where folks were doing the same thing. This was before everybody had CD equipment. I tried to bring up Linux a number of times, most seriously in the 2000-2001 timeframe, but my old equipment and problems with X configurations got me pretty discouraged. Still, I kept it handy because I am a Unix programmer and it was nice having even command-line *nix at my disposal. The real breakthrough was when I installed CentOS 3 and it worked. Shortly after that my Windows 98 system was dying and a friend gave me XP Pro. I set up Thunderbird on a FAT32 volume so I could share the files with Tbird on Linux, and over a few weeks my whole life smoothly transitioned to Linux ... oh well, except for once a month when I still need to do some chores with MS Word. I also installed CentOS on a box at work, since we use a number of RHEL systems there alongside our Solaris "Big Iron". Our desktops are Windows-centric (Outlook, Word, Excel, Project) so I keep my CentOS box in a server closet; but I use freeNX to bring up the KDE desktop in a corner of my XP monitor. I was just handed two more big ol' IBM eServer P3 boxes (heavy suckahs they are) that I'll be putting RHEL onto: why? The company is standardizing on MS SharePoint Portal, but that's not where we developers are doing our collaborating! :-) Major regression: Spent $700 for a hot new WinXP box for my wife. She uses Word 97 and MS Money, and ... The Sims 2, which I don't think runs too well under Wine. But I'm watching for my opportunity to get her converted. :-) I sized it in anticipation of Vista, but I don't think that'll ever happen. I would like to second Alan's comments on the helpfulness and fellowship of PLUG. Y'all'd see more of me if I were not teaching ESL every Thursday evening, so we meet mainly online. Vic --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss