On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 03:39, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > Still essentially the same non-.cn results for US search at > Google.com. > > > thats wierd! when I click the Tiananmen in .cn I get 'super happy > fun' pictures, when I click on .com I get tanks with students, etc. > > > Wonder what happens if you make an English search of Google.cn > from within > .cn? > > If Google and m$ are truly notifying people when results have > been left > out due to government restrictions that's already pushing the > envelope to > reduce censorship. Do Google or m$ notify us if searches are > censored in > the .us? Are there pages that don't get indexed by Google due > to content? > > > I know of at least one site http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com that > is not indexed in Google news because it has been classed as > 'extremist'. take a look at the content, Im not sure who considers > this site to be extreme. > I searched "little green footballs" on Google News and did turn up a number of articles that referenced the site, though none referenced the blog directly. I suppose that the whole point of a news search is to filter out what you don't consider news - though LGF is definitely a popular political site, so I'd say filtering it out is a mistake at best and evidence of bias at worst. OTOH, I do agree LGF _is_ extreme in the sense that it's generally anti-Muslim, which doesn't bother me, but will certainly bother a lot of other people. :-) What I find distasteful about LGF is the amount of anti-Arab racist invective you see there. I certainly would not ban that, though politically correct countries like the UK would, so perhaps that's a reason for the omission. BTW, I'm somewhat flattered that the folks at LGF hate anti-war libertarians (such as myself) so much that they call us "idiotarians." It's a nice change after being marginalized and ignored. :-) > > I can't read the dominoes and things at the bottom of the .cn > page, so no > idea if those are warnings of censorship. > > > do no evil... well maybe just a little evil. no one will > notice. > > Turning info over to the .us gov't without fighting the > illegal request is > evil. Turning over personal info the the .cn gov't or the RIAA > or MPAA > without fighting it is evil. > > > These problems are surely the beginning of much bigger ones in the > future. One can imagine the number of ways that a search company > could control a group or society through an engine that users assume > is impartial and objective. I would think that eventually there will > be government regulations on search engines, in addition to new > regulations introduced at the IP transport level as well. This of > course would require a much higher level of formalization in the > information and linguistic sciences. There is a growing contingency > of tech savvy activists who are vehemently fighting this encroachment > into thier digital communication infrastructure. http://www.eff.org > . There is Lessig of course, and a few other important lawyers and > technology people. I had mentioned on the Azipa list more than a year > ago the problems concerning municipal wireless and how hidden cost > structures will effect their success. Verizon has since 'put on a > happy face' and are now ostensibly more positive about the prospects( > and sales value ) of a 'neutral network'. It seems more like bait > than an honest sales bid. > > In general most people do not understand to what extent this > indexing of content can be used. Natural Language Processing has made > some serious strides in recent years. It cetainly touches on a lot of > hot topics such as privacy, etc. > > > If they lose the fight they still have to comply with the law. > I'd like to > think one would choose to just not do business in a country > like that, but > I doubt Google, m$ or Yahoo are going to stop doing business > in the .us... > > As to Joshua's point below. No, I don't just jump up against > something > because m$ is doing it. I try to only criticize the evil > things m$ > does. Pretty easy considering how large that list is... > > BTW, is m$ still skewing search results to censor critics and > abnormally > promote its own pages? > > The Tiananmen queries below end up both being handled by .com > servers for > me and have the same results. > > ciao, > > der.hans > > > > On 2/6/06, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> > >> This is too good to hold back. > >> > >> Tiananmen image search in > China > >> Tiananmen image search in the rest of the world > >> > >> > >> On 2/2/06, Randy Melder < randymelder@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> What's really sad is that if it were Microsoft agreeing to > censorship, > >>> you'd be all over them... for some reason, Google gets a > pass? 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