Am 25. May, 2005 schwätzte Trent Shipley so:

> I don't really like the idea of a West Side Stammtisch.  Equal but separate
> never really works out for the West Valley.  The cultural and intellectual

Nothing about equal, just seperate. It's up to the people who go to build
it.

Build it how you like. Meet at a cafe or a bar. Heck, meet at a dog park
with wireless if that makes sense[1]. Run hackfests or have political
discussions. It's up to the people participating.

> center of Greater Phoenix is simply in the South East and that's all there is
> to it.  In my experience with other groups it often happens that impoverished
> Westsiders cannot get to Eastside events, but Eastsiders often REFUSE to go
> to Westside events (this may change when the Glendale arenas get going and
> habits change).

I have made it to quite a few west side events. I note that there are
others from the east side that make it as well. I appreciate that you
participate and make east side events, but there is no requirement for
people to cross town for events.

I want the west side to build up. I can't make it happen[2]. If it's going
to happen people on the west side need to work on it.

ciao,

der.hans

[1] I like this idea. If a dog park had some covered tables and a couple
of electrical outlets it might work quite well.

[2] Actually, I might actually be switching from east side to west side,
but I make no promise to build something. The east side events aren't
successful because of me, they're successful because Alan, Alex, Dennis
and Brian have been consistent in making sure they happen. Those four were
building on the successes of Wes, Jiva and Jim.
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