Who said anything about dumbing down your answers?

The whole point of my first email, and I must apologize to Mr. England
for derailing his thread, was to point out that someone who doesn't
know everyone here might see some of the things said and be put off of
asking a question themselves.  As far as free support not being for
the weak and fragile goes, speaking as someone who would like to see
Linux more widely accepted, I would have to disagree.

As far as what Mr. England is trying to achieve, from what I've read
so far, it seems as though it could be achieved more easily at the
client level...
-Erik

On Mar 31, 2005 11:17 AM, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 10:48 -0700, Erik Bixby wrote:
> > In reading some of the things I quoted, I could see how someone coming
> > to the mailing list for the first time could be scared off.
> ----
> Perhaps - but if it wasn't this, it would be something else. Reply was
> offered to the OP with respect to OP's situation and my estimation of
> OP's level of understanding. I just don't see the point in dumbing down
> my replies to OP just so other readers feel good.
> 
> Trust me on this one - I ask some very stupid questions about things I
> don't know - and have done so in the not distant past (Joseph, Siri,
> Ted, Vaughn, 2 Kevins and Jeremy can attest).
> 
> F/OSS software and the various free support mechanisms don't cater to
> the weak and fragile - at least not for the most part. The concept is
> that you have to try to understand and work things through on your own
> or be willing to try. Questions asked and answered - little concern to
> the imagined fears of others. No reason to invest ego into things that
> you don't know - there is so much to know that few can function without
> asking questions.
> ----
> >
> > As far as what Nathan is attempting to do, I don't understand the
> > goal.  It seems as though his organization is trying to solve a
> > problem that has already been solved...
> ----
> The more I work with Linux (and I am quite sure that this applies to
> other Unix distributions), it becomes evident that there are a lot of
> ways to achieve a desired result, some more effective, some less
> effective and the effectiveness varies with each implementation.
> 
> Thus to his original question, I gave 2 answers and a thought to
> ponder...
> 
> 1 - I knew of no 'trigger' mechanism to launch a process once a
> pop3/imap connection was made to his server and offered the thinking
> that a grep of the tail of the maillog was the only thought that came to
> my mind.
> 
> 2 - There are programs that provide 'user controlled' fetchmail
> configurations where he could install and demonstrate/document for those
> on his network who wanted access to these out of office mail servers
> whereby, he could then wash his hands of the process
> 
> and
> 
> 3 - The notion that it was my belief that using fetchmail to retrieve
> mail from 'untrusted' mail servers represented a curious use of business
> resources in that the mail would have to be inspected, detected and if
> necessary injected (borrowing loosely on Arlo) for inappropriate things
> such as spam, viruses, spyware, malicious html and such and since the
> mail had already been accepted by the other mail servers that it was
> pulled from, you couldn't reject it without creating other problems. On
> the list of questionable practices for maintaining a safe, secure
> network, this practice would surely rank reasonably high. As Nathan
> figures, he has the iron-power (and I hope mechanisms) to deal with that
> and I suppose that he is in a better position to make the judgment than
> I am.
> 
> Of course, there is then the consideration that Joseph offered...why not
> just have the users set up the pop connections on their own individual
> mail clients? He may be blocking the attempts to connect by using a
> proxy server. He may be thinking that he can better protect his network
> by forcing the mail through his own controls than by having users pull
> in their mail with their mail clients. That again is a decision best
> made by the administrators.
> 
> Craig
> 
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