all, I figured out what the wierdness is in slack 10 I was complaining about a while ago. I upgraded udev and hotplug from slackware-current and since then everything has been great. SSH works, man works... I forgot that I had done that, then never updated the group! Nathan --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss