I went over to Craig White's place and after about an hour and a half we got the card working. Well actually he got it working, I was all out of ideas. The bottom line: ditch Kwifimanager! kwifimanager is probably a useful tool for searching for available wireless nets but it was not helpful for troubleshooting this problem. Go directly to Network Configuration (in Gnome: Applications > System Settings > Network) and setup your wireless card. Activate it. Specific instructions here are hard to give as it depends on your situation. By choosing this little application the wireless was no problem at all. I later set it up to start at boot up and now wifi just works when the computer turns on. Network was only useful 'AFTER' kudzu identified and put module into /etc/modprobe.conf. ifup and ifdown work as well. modprobe.conf has: alias eth2 orinoco_cs also if necessary run: kudzu from command line and configure your netgear wifi card. kudzu identified the hardware and wrote the entry: alias eth1 orinoco_cs in modprobe.conf if you start without wireless card in slot, it may run kudzu. Best to tell it to do nothing otherwise, it will remove entry from modprobe.conf I wish I could give you a nice step by step but we tried so many things So fast I only really remember the bottom line. mike h --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss