someone else commented a while back in this thread that phoenix had the worst 
drivers of 30+ states and a few EU countries.
I beg to differ. Anyone ever seen how they drive in Belgium or Italy? I have! 
THOSE guys are nuts. we just have stupidity en masse here.

Technomage Hawke

On Wednesday 12 January 2005 00:35, Entelin wrote:
> Phoenix is a fast city, we have some of the most logicaly laid out roads
> in the country, its just a bunch of squares. If you want to go somewhere
> and drive slow take the ave's instead of the freeway. Durring rush hour
> I have found that I often get where I am going in the same amount of
> time on the ave's as on the freeway.
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