ok, looks like i started quite a mess with the arizona drivers thing.

nice to see a little passion out of the group tho :-)

i mean other than anti-m$ passion.

that goes w/out saying really.

mike h


Josef Lowder wrote:

>Definitely off topic, but I can't help but respond to this with a rant. 
>
>On Tuesday 11 January 2005 00:13, Kevin Brown wrote:
>  
>
>>>and of course driving with these people in the rain is funny. when we
>>>have normal weather they drive like maniacs, when the road gets wet
>>>suddenly it's dangerous.
>>>      
>>>
>
>It's not just when it gets wet that it is dangerous, though. 
>
>  
>
>>Roads are dangerous because idiots can't be bothered to think farther than
>>1 second ahead.  Wet, dry, cold, hot, doesn't matter they still drive like
>>madmen. Diving across lanes, puttering at 45 when flow in 75, turning left
>>from the right hand lane, turning right from the left hand lane, etc. 
>>    
>>
>
>Arizona drivers are, hands down, the absolute worst, most inconsiderate, 
>most careless, most reckless drivers I have ever experienced in 40+ years 
>of driving in 30+ states in the US and in England.  I lived here for three 
>years before I saw the first Arizona Highway Patrol vehicle stop one 
>of these lunatics.  The evidence of just how bad it is can be seen in 
>the dailiy refreshed black skid marks cris-crossing the freeways and 
>the absurd number of residue of crashes into the concrete barriers that 
>can be throughout the valley, especially on 60 where I drive most. 
>
>When we were in England last summer, I saw not one single skid mark 
>nor one single barrier damaged from a crash in all the hundreds of miles 
>we drove, even though the drivers do drive quite fast (and of course 
>everyone drives on the wrong side of the road ;)) They have very few 
>concrete dividers or barriers.  Most miles have none at all.  But the few 
>dividers or barriers that they do have are old, undamaged steel ones 
>that have obviously been there for a very long time with no recently 
>replaced panels. 
>
>Judging from the number of crash sites on Arizona's concrete barriers, 
>It's hard to believe that there are any vehicles left on the roadway here. 
>What is most amazing is that all these crash sites are every few feet on 
>both center dividers and on the side-of-the-road barriers ... and not 
>just where there are curves in the road, but they are also every few feet 
>on the long straight-ways when there are 5 or 6 lanes across. Good grief! 
>
>Since moving here four years ago, I have personally witnessed, 
>at close range more collisions happen right in front or behind me 
>than I saw collectively in my previous 40+ years of driving. 
>
>The most disgusting part of this whole mess is that most of these 
>crashes could be eliminated if the state would just use photo radar 
>and mail out tickets to _every_ lunatic for every single mile-per-hour 
>they drive over the speed limit.  Notice, that word is LIMIT. 
>
>Sorry for the rant.  I've called 911 to report several of the most extreme 
>offenders and I've written to the state highway patrol several times, 
>but I get the impression that they really don't care.  I've had Arizona 
>highway patrol vehicles pass me going 10-20 mph faster than the 
>speed limit when they were just crusing along with no lights or sirens. 
>
>Please friends ... slow down and live. 
>
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