Believe it or not I was in fact attempting to make a constructive suggestion in my original post, e.g. to separate the GUI front end from the kernel. If X11 and all the non-graphical services were packaged with the kernel distro it should be a fairly simple matter to define the interface between the GUI and the kernel package as X11. If everybody thinks that is a stupid idea then I guess it won't happen. It's not like you're saving the community by shooting it down. No cause for alarm unless you see people getting on-board with it. I know all the major components of the distros are funded by big corporations. I should think that would cast a little doubt on some of the Pollyanna idealism I see in this forum. You just can't get away from those evil capitalists, can you? But maybe Linux will always be a pain in the butt for all but the most ardent lovers of computing complexity. After all, there is something to be said for job security. --Phil M. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss