I figured that I would get rid of the sudo to my modem by including my user in the modem group. So to make sure nothing would go wring I made sure there was a modem group: more /etc/group no modem group. so i looked through the list hoping to find pppd no pppd group so I looked through the list looking for anything related but all there is in there that "might" be related is tty (in wvdial.conf I have 'modem = /dev/ttyS4') but I am already part of that group. Could someone help me out? -- <:-)Mike(-:> This message has been scanned for viruses by the VEI Internet Automatic Email Spam and Virus Scanner, and is believed to be free of spam or viruses. Please report spam to spamtrap@vei.net. If you would like 98.9 % spam blocked from your E-mail then go to VEI Internet for details. Anti-spam/Anti-virus is FREE with every account. http://www.vei.net/ mailtospamtrap@vei.net --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss