I wanted to thank everyone that replied with information regarding CMS 
interests and the python/zope/plone stack.  I'll get on the various mail 
lists suggested.

>From Alex Henry
>   As far as I'm concerned, Plone has much to 
> be  desired.  I tried to get it working with a highly customized set of  
> workflows/actions/content-object/roles, 

I agree that workflows are difficult to grok, (they have been for me). 
I've looked at OpenFlow, but I think that only runs on Zope and hasn't 
been modified as a Plone product.

but I ended up programming
> inside  the Zope engine to get anything to work, rather than a framework 
> style  point-click-code.  For the time it took to learn Zope then CMS 
> then Plone,  I could have done a custom app from scratch.

There is something of a learning curve, and quite a few moving parts. 
But there is a lot of built-in functionality that comes along with that, 
when you figure out where the levers are.

> 
> In general, documentation about any of this stinks, and even though 
> there  is a "zope corporation", the devs have an "it's obvious" attitude.

Certainly agree that the documentation is scanty and not well written. 
In addition to that, since the introduction of Plone 2.0 earlier this 
year there is a lot of semi-obsolete docs.  In general, documentation 
for most open-source apps is pretty poor.  "read the code" they say.
That's one more reason that I'm hoping to get some local contacts.

Anydy McCay, one of the main contributors to the Plone project, has a 
book coming out on Plone in July, and after that I suspect we'll see it 
online shortly, that should help.

Regarding Zope Corp.  They just signed an agreement with Computer 
Associates to tune the Ingres RDBMS for Zope and Ingres wil be released 
under a derivative of the Common Public License.  I think its an 
interesting development, and represents further progress for opensource 
applications.  CA is also supporting Plone through a foundation, and are 
integrating it into their Document Management solution.  It will be 
interesting to see what the licensing model of that will be.



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