On Tuesday 13 January 2004 07:43, Bill Lindley wrote: > Q: What's the relative market size for "embedded" chips (cars, toasters= , > machines of all sorts) versus Personal Computers? > That Embedded market is ripe for Intel's expanded Linux support. > \\/ I forget the exact numbers but believe the embedded market is worth = (to=20 the manufacturers of the hardware that is sold) approximate 10x the Perso= nal=20 Computer market. This may sound like an astonishing multiplier but rememb= er=20 that every Personal Computer actually contains several embedded computers= =2E=20 There's one in the keyboard that scans the matrix of keys looking for=20 connected/disconnected changes and transmits a serial code down the cable= to=20 the system for every key-up and key-down. There's another one doing the=20 "accelleration" on the video card. And there's one on the network card=20 processing packets and handling collisions, backoff and retransmissions.=20 That's three preprogrammed embedded computers for almost every "PC" out=20 there. And engineers at Ford and at General Motors have both told me that= in=20 each of their high-end cars, there are over a hundred embedded computers = and,=20 at the low-end (and at least five years ago), there were a minimum of two= in=20 every car they sell. But it's also important to note that your keyboard probably isn't=20 running Linux. Indeed, most embedded computers have no operating system a= t=20 all, and those that do are predominantly run by "in house" operating syst= ems=20 (which have typically evolved by happenstance into tangled messes). Most=20 embedded systems are of the PICmicro / AVR / 8085 / 6810 variety. When=20 looking at volume, which is where sellers make their money, the 8- and 16= -bit=20 worlds of these machines predominate. It is true that the embedded market= =20 segment for 32-bit machines is rapidly growing, and this is where Linux f= its=20 in, it is probable that most embedded programming, most embedded machines= ,=20 and most of the profit in the embedded market will remain at the low end. Developers of embedded systems do seem to like it when they can go t= o a=20 single vendor and have all their needs, from small to large, satisfied.=20 There's one salesman to deal with, one catalog to read, one "product line= " to=20 keep in mind, and that's what Intel (and other vendors in this market) wa= nt.=20 If Intel can cover the low- to the high-end with a minimum of seams,=20 customers will continue to buy their products as needs evolve. When an=20 engineer has to get a product out the door, using a "single source" vendo= r=20 makes things a lot simpler. --=20 Ed Skinner, ed@flat5.net, http://www.flat5.net/