Why change the subject line? It was on topic, because we were talking about getting clip art for use with open source systems. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Ed Skinner wrote: > On Friday 09 January 2004 08:54, Michael Havens wrote: > > http://office.microsoft.com/clipart/default.aspx?cag=1 if she doesn't know > > about it Jeremy. > Ah, such fun. When I follow this link in Konqueror, Microsoft complains: I used MozillaFirebird. Mike, this is not any okay solution. After you select the clipart and click download you are taken to the "Terms of Use" agreement. It says: NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID LICENSE FOR ONE OF THE FOLLOWING SOFTWARE PRODUCTS (EACH A "SOFTWARE PRODUCT"), YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY OR OTHERWISE USE THE SOFTWARE: Office 2003 System, or any of its applications, or any product which includes Microsoft Clip Gallery or Microsoft Clip Organizer. I use open source software. I do not use Office 2003 nor any Microsoft Clip software. This EULA also says you may not sell, license or distribute copies of elements by themselves or as part of any collection, product or service if the primary value of the product or service is that clip art. And it says you may not grant customers of your service or product any rights to distribute or license the clipart. And the EULA says you may not sell or license or lease the templates. And you can't distribute the templates. And you can not provide any commercial hosting service with the clipart. Microsoft does have some free to use products or specifications (like RTF specification and some typefaces), but this clipart collection is not good enough. Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/