Perhaps some of you have done this many times but I just finally found the end of the rainbow. I even remember a thread on this base about LDAP mocking him - and it mocked me and it mocked me. It was the single hardest thing that I have ever learned on Linux. Set up Linux server - LDAP with TLS - self generated certificates from self certificate server - pulled in Users/Groups/Hosts from existing Linux mail/internet server, joined Windows Domain and slurped up the Windows Users/Groups/etc. and am ready to promote it to PDC. Will be revising group policies tomorrow and then it's on to roaming profiles and I am done. Linux Mail Server - Windows NT Server and Macintosh Server are all being rolled into one set of user accounts/passwords/policies to manage. I find that I want to find the phone hidden in the pads on the goal post in the endzone and there's no football to sign with the Sharpie that's in my socks so I'll settle for posting up here. Craig