Sorry George, I don't quite get what you mean. I just figured visudo is a special vi sudo but I couldn't remember my vi studies. How was China? On Saturday 06 December 2003 09:03 pm, George Toft said: ~ That also means you can make a mistake and kill your sudo capability. ~ ~ Learn from the mistakes of others. At a certain client, it is common ~ practice to put the administrators in the sudoers file to allow "sudo su ~ -" without a password (don't go there - I protested, but the client is ~ always right). Then one day, an admin borked /etc/sudoers and could no ~ longer become root. Since remote root logins are disabled, that meant ~ he go to go out to the floor and fix each box from the console. ~ Doooh!!!! ~ ~ Be safe. Use visudo. ~ ~ George Toft ~ Computer Security ~ AGD,llc ~ www.agdllc.com ~ 623-203-1760 ~ --------------------------------------------------- ~ PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us ~ To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: ~ http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ~ -- <:-)~MIKE~(-:> This message has been scanned for viruses by the VEI Internet Automatic Email Spam and Virus Scanner, and is believed to be free of spam or viruses. Please report spam to spamtrap@vei.net. If you would like 98.9 % spam blocked from your E-mail then go to VEI Internet for details. Anti-spam/Anti-virus is FREE with every account. http://www.vei.net/ mailtospamtrap@vei.net