ok, well, i've had it with kde and am going back to gnome. i have experimented with it for a few weeks now (seems like months). for the basic desktop stupid user (/yo/), it is not as friendly as gnome. also, it has independently crashed about 3 times now. this last time it just kept making konquerer windows open up. got up to 32 before i was able to shut it down. so if you're setting up linux for your mom, give her a break and use gnome ;-) betty i -- Observare porta non oportet fila domestica visit www.wolfila.homestead.com