Chris Gehlker wrote:

> 
> On Nov 2, 2003, at 6:10 PM, der.hans wrote:
> 
>> Such as m$ eXploder and m$ outlook? Can't get rid of those without 
>> replacing
>> the OS.
> 
> 
> Know you enemy, Hans. There are much better browsers and mail clients 
> for Windows than Explorer and Outlook. If fact, convincing ordinary 
> users to switch away from Outlook and Explorer should be much easier 
> than convincing them to change their whole OS. I think IE is the only 
> browser left on Windows that doesn't block pop-up adds.
Some of the latest IE exploits affect Windows users *even if they don't 
use IE as their browser*. In other words, if it is on your computer you 
are vulnerable. This sounds like the *fix* beyond patching is to replace 
the OS.


> 
> The converse is that if you can't convince someone to dump IE and 
> Outlook. You will never get them to abandon Windows. They are baby ducks 
> who have imprinted. Logic has nothing to do with their behavior.
> 
> 
>> Something that affects all of us is the Freedom of Free Software and Open
>> Standards. RentWare isn't good for consumers.
>>
>> Interoperability is important. It's why the Net can work. Proprietary
>> protocols and formats diverge from interoperability. m$, for decades, has
>> made it clear it will subvert Open Standards at every opportunity.
>>
>> For those who don't want to know much about computers it is in their best
>> interest not to use m$. Especially for them.
> 
> 
> This argument is essentially that we would all be better off 
> collectively if MS didn't have their monopoly. I think that is so 
> obvious that it isn't worth debating. The thing is, it's a big jump from 
> there to the assertion that some particular individual would be better 
> of switching to Linux. I don't think you can know that without knowing 
> that individual personally.
> 
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