On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, der.hans wrote: > Am 02. Nov, 2003 schw=E4tzte Robert.Wultsch@asu.edu so: > I guess that's true. I annoy Carl and consider Mozilla a web browser :). Firebird is a browser, mozilla is a large suite.=20 > > A bad impression is worse than no impression at all. >=20 > Agreed. >=20 > What apps can we recommend? >=20 > [ ] the GIMP NO! I have exposed several people to the GIMP and it is too complicated. Th= e advanced stuff is not nearly as important as the simple, but the design of = the GIMP does not reflect this. > [ ] OpenOffice.org Yes, bit only after changing the prefences so that it defaults to MSFT form= ats and it should be changes so that it does not nag the user for not using a that is different that what most of the world uses. > [ ] Mozilla Sure, but only after the process for installing plugins is streamlined or y= ou can install all the normal plugins for the user. > [ ] Konqueror No, Mozilla is a far better browse, I have found Konqueror to be designed t= o be a file manager, rather than a web browser. IE and the file manager work muc= h together than Konqueror. > [ ] Evolution I have only used brifely. I do not know the pit falls. > [ ] GAIM Yes, but only on unix like platforms and when all the plugins are installed. This is a great program, but it is bear to upgraded if you are n= ot current. I have had far more problems with rpm's in the last week than I ha= ve ever had with the so called ".dll hell". > [ ] MPlayer I have only used brifely. I do not know the pit falls. > [ ] Gnumeric NO! Openoffice should be suggested because a user should not need overlappi= ng software. > [ ] Jabber I have never used. > [ ] Xine I have only used brifely. I do not know the pit falls. > [ ] Sodi Podi I have never used. > Can we provide much of the functionality via web apps? I am not sure what this means.=20 My thought is that someone ought to pay for the streamlining/converging of= =20 GAIM, Mozilla, Evolution, Openoffice, and the GIMP.=20 ActiveX is a good idea.