I have just been reading about SE Linux (Security Enhanced Linux) developed by the NSA. Looks very interesting as I am looking to improve the firewalls I sell to my customers. Also a product out there called Firewall Builer which has an excellent GUI interface for creating your firewall rules. Both could be used to build an outstanding Linux firewall. Has anyone had any experience with either of these? Also it could make for an interesting presentation at one of the meetings. I also want to thank Hans for allowing me to present the Freeswan product at the meeting this week! Michael D. Seidner MDS Computer Services 602-454-6470 mikes@mdscomp.com