> What exactly drives your need to have the latest of everything? > Well, I don't really need the latest of everything, it's just sometimes it seems that it's a domino effect when I want to install certain programs (nothing in particular at the moment, I just like to tinker). You brought up a good point about debian.. I'm currently running woody, perhaps I should try the testing distro instead.. Ren Pangaea Games - Fantasy Gaming to the Extreme!! http://www.pangaeagames.com