yeah...Mike was hangin out with me and the cats this afternoon while the old lady and boy were at the movies, it's a IBM webcam and Google had told me that it was one that for some reason wouldn't work with Linux, out of curiousity Mike plugged it in and we fired up gqcam and there we were making faces, what impressed me was that it was so easy to get it running, under windoze98 I had to install the software, turn off computer, plug in cam then turn on computer and then maybe it installed...and then configuring it with the software that came with it was a pain that I gave up using it, it's just a pinhole camera with a simple tv circuit, think I'll find some way to express myself artistically with it.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com