On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 10:30, keith smith wrote: > I don't get it. What real R&D is there for a distribution? A Ton...if you want somebody to test and patch the latest utilities and programs, then you need to pay them. Sometimes, i wonder if they follow that model (gcc latest-bleeding-edge on a boxed release?)..Also, i'm sure that they have a staff of linux-kernel hackers....RPM and it's technologies are starting to get better, so i'm sure that they are paying a staff to work on that (god, i hope so). All of that aside, it's a huge pain in the ass to maintain a Distro. You have users demanding that you pre-package utilities that would only take 20 minutes at the most to compile yourself. You have to keep a staff who just watches the security-focus mailing lists and fixes bugs and pushes them up to your servers. And god forbid if they have to just compile their own kernel. I know Debian just recently announced for an aggresive push for a Sarge release in December, but that will only come through charisma and dedication of the part-timers...most of the work will probably come with those who can devote 10 hours a day on that. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html Don't get me wrong...i'm not bashing the Open Source Model..i'm pretty sure that Debian will make that target, or miss it by only a month. I'm just pointing out that their is REAL work, dollars, and R&D to be done when putting your name on a Linux Distro.