You might want to consider the Coffee Rush, Ray & Dobson, in Chandler. On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 06:56 AM, =20 plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us wrote: > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > You can reach the person managing the list at > plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Need recommendation on floppy substitute (George Toft) > 2. Bandersnatch stolen (der.hans) > 3. Re: Bandersnatch stolen (Alan Dayley) > 4. RE: Frenchie success (Ted Gould) > 5. Re: Frenchie success (Alan Dayley) > 6. Re: Bandersnatch stolen (der.hans) > 7. Re: Bandersnatch stolen (Rob Wultsch) > 8. Re: Project (Ted Gould) > 9. Re: Bandersnatch stolen (der.hans) > 10. RE: Bandersnatch stolen (David Huerta) > 11. RE: Bandersnatch stolen (der.hans) > 12. Re: Bandersnatch stolen (Bowie J. Poag) > 13. Re: East Side Meeting (Austin Godber) > 14. Re: Bandersnatch stolen (Craig White) > 15. Re: Bandersnatch stolen (Vaughn Treude) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:22:11 -0700 > From: George Toft > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Need recommendation on floppy substitute > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Bryce C wrote: >> >> Is it really that uncommon a feature to find these days? I'd say that >> all motherboards that support from Duron 800s and up support it. In >> fact, I think even my FW supports booting from a USB device and it's =20= >> an >> Athlon 550. True though, it does depend on how recent the hardware = you >> use is but if it is being bought "today", you'll be able to do this. >> In fact, I don't know why I didn't think of this in the first place, >> seeing as I use a gentoo one myself for various odd tasks. >> Good luck >> >> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 02:38, der.hans wrote: >>> Am 12. Sep, 2003 schw=E4tzte George Toft so: >>> >>>> I'm looking to create a NMP (No Moving Parts) firewall based on =20 >>>> LEAF. >>>> To accomplish this, I need something to replace the floppy drive, =20= >>>> or an >>>> alternate boot device. This something needs to be =20 >>>> mountable/unmountable >>>> like a floppy. >>>> >>>> Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> As Bryce and Chris suggested you can go with a USB device. I think =20= >>> booting >>> from USB is still a hard to find feature, though. >>> >>> There are IDE->CF adapters out there. A couple of links were posted =20= >>> on the >>> list sometime in the last year. >>> >>> You'd have to make a mechanism to 'eject' the card, but that should =20= >>> work >>> fine if you can run from RAM and unmount the device. >>> >>> There might also be a way to physically remove the 'write' pin. >>> >>> If you have a SCSI->CF ( hallo Alan :) you might be able to =20 >>> physically make >>> the device read-only. >>> >>> You could add a second CF card that is writable for logs. >>> >>> I'm certain you thought of network booting, but it doesn't work for =20= >>> what you >>> want. Might work for the rest of us, though :). >>> >>> Hmmm, LTSP firewall farm... ;-) >>> >>> Hmmm, using a 200MHz processor as an LTSP server and have it be =20 >>> useful :). >>> >>> ciao, >>> >>> der.hans >> -- >> Bryce C >> CoBryce Communications >> >> =20 >> = ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >> -- >> Name: signature.asc >> signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature >> Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > > > Thank you all for the comments. I like the Compact Flash idea, but = may > play with bootable USB. Way cool ideas! > > --=20 > George Toft > Computer Security > AGD,llc > www.agdllc.com > 623-203-1760 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:03:17 -0700 (MST) > From: "der.hans" > To: quatsch > Subject: Bandersnatch stolen > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > moin, moin, > > sadly the owner is being forced to sell. > > We need another location for the GNU/Linux Stammtisch if we wish to =20= > continue > having the meetings. > > It needs to have a no cost Internet connection ( preferably both =20 > wireless > and wired ) and needs to be open for all ages. Having beer and not so > expensive snacks would be good. If they normally charge for the Net > connection, but let us in for no cost, that would probably be =20 > acceptable. > > Not in downtown Tempe. I will not be supporting MAMA. They've driven =20= > off all > the good businesses. > > ciao, > > der.hans > --=20 > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.AZOTO.org/ > # "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by =20 > understanding." > # -- Albert Einstein > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:14:59 -0700 > From: Alan Dayley > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Bandersnatch stolen > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > der.hans wrote: > >> moin, moin, >> >> sadly the owner is being forced to sell. >> > Nerts! > >> We need another location for the GNU/Linux Stammtisch if we wish to =20= >> continue >> having the meetings. >> >> It needs to have a no cost Internet connection ( preferably both =20 >> wireless >> and wired ) and needs to be open for all ages. Having beer and not so >> expensive snacks would be good. If they normally charge for the Net >> connection, but let us in for no cost, that would probably be =20 >> acceptable. >> > Elite PC? I will think about other places. > >> Not in downtown Tempe. I will not be supporting MAMA. They've driven =20= >> off all >> the good businesses. >> > MAMA? What is that? > > Alan > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: 17 Sep 2003 00:18:47 -0700 > From: "Ted Gould" > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: Frenchie success > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > --=3D-ZI0mvQKAwZ5F8zFK0OFG > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 10:00, der.hans wrote: >> Well, congrats, though. Also, when you speak *to* Ford, remind them =20= >> that =3D > we >> want GNU/Linux-based cars/trucks/vans, using standard connections and >> protocols, so we can monitor how they're doing :). > > Actually, I think that's already done for most cars. I can't seem to > find the website, but I know I saw a site where a guy was writing free > software for engine diagnosis. The trick is that you need a protocol > converter box to anything that is useful for the PC. I want to say it > used that automotive bus... CAN? I don't remember. > > --Ted > > > --=3D-ZI0mvQKAwZ5F8zFK0OFG > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=3Dsignature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQA/aArWLE335pRPGp0RAgIbAKCPB0PRtT9lRfBq4e0LT78w/Ak4pQCeJxYX > kKNksqSu/syISzriZGyKy9M=3D > =3D2jdN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=3D-ZI0mvQKAwZ5F8zFK0OFG-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:24:30 -0700 > From: Alan Dayley > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Frenchie success > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Ted Gould wrote: > >> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 10:00, der.hans wrote: >> >> >>> Well, congrats, though. Also, when you speak *to* Ford, remind them =20= >>> that we >>> want GNU/Linux-based cars/trucks/vans, using standard connections = and >>> protocols, so we can monitor how they're doing :). >>> >>> >> >> Actually, I think that's already done for most cars. I can't seem to >> find the website, but I know I saw a site where a guy was writing = free >> software for engine diagnosis. The trick is that you need a protocol >> converter box to anything that is useful for the PC. I want to say = it >> used that automotive bus... CAN? I don't remember. >> >> --Ted >> > CAN Bus is correct. > > Alan > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:21:11 -0700 (MST) > From: "der.hans" > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Bandersnatch stolen > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Am 17. Sep, 2003 schw=3DE4tzte Alan Dayley so: > >>> Not in downtown Tempe. I will not be supporting MAMA. They've driven = =20 >>> off=3D > all >>> the good businesses. >>> >> MAMA? What is that? > > Mill Avenue Fascists ( Merchants ) Association > > They're the ones who decided sitting on the sidewalk is a crime, who =20= > banned > Traveler from playing because people like the group, who've run all = the > cultural centers out of downtown Tempe, who've replaced those cultural > centers with chains and meat markets... > > ciao, > > der.hans > --=3D20 > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.AZOTO.org/ > # HERE LIES LESTER MOORE > # SHOT 4 TIMES WITH A .44 > # NO LES > # NO MOORE > # -- tombstone, in Tombstone, AZ > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:30:36 -0700 > From: Rob Wultsch > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Bandersnatch stolen > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > der.hans wrote: >> moin, moin, >> >> sadly the owner is being forced to sell. >> >> We need another location for the GNU/Linux Stammtisch if we wish to =20= >> continue >> having the meetings. >> >> It needs to have a no cost Internet connection ( preferably both =20 >> wireless >> and wired ) and needs to be open for all ages. Having beer and not so >> expensive snacks would be good. If they normally charge for the Net >> connection, but let us in for no cost, that would probably be =20 >> acceptable. >> >> Not in downtown Tempe. I will not be supporting MAMA. They've driven =20= >> off all >> the good businesses. >> >> ciao, >> >> der.hans > How bout the asu cafeteria/food place? > > --=20 > .-. > =3D------------------------------ /v\ ----------------------------=3D= > Robert Wultsch // \\ robert.wultsch@asu.edu > Linux User /( )\ AIM:sheepsleep7 > Don't fear the penguins ^^-^^ (602)6927564 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: 17 Sep 2003 00:34:23 -0700 > From: "Ted Gould" > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Project > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > --=3D-OrmXNyK4Hr2OOvNcde8M > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 10:44, devin rankin wrote: >> What I need some help with on is the software that will run the =20 >> picture >> slide show. My pictures are in several different resolutions and I >> would like to have something that will auto size them so that they = all >> fit on a full screen. I have tried GQview and a few others, but so =20= >> far, >> I have not found anything that will do a full screen slide show and =20= >> will >> auto size the images. Does anyone know program that will do what I >> want? > > gThumb will do that also. http://gthumb.sf.net/ > > --Ted > > > --=3D-OrmXNyK4Hr2OOvNcde8M > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=3Dsignature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQA/aA5+LE335pRPGp0RAg8vAJkByf6UgL5TlVp87t1hR3TJJhmg0wCfad60 > dPD7m+igMAGqctKWL8dYfbU=3D > =3DEqoT > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=3D-OrmXNyK4Hr2OOvNcde8M-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:30:35 -0700 (MST) > From: "der.hans" > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Bandersnatch stolen > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Am 17. Sep, 2003 schw=3DE4tzte Rob Wultsch so: > >> How bout the asu cafeteria/food place? > > ASU is generally somewhat unfriendly to people not 'affiliated' with =20= > ASU. > Also parking (services) for ASU sucks. > > ciao, > > der.hans > --=3D20 > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.AZOTO.org/ > # Practice socially consious hedonism. Do whatever you want, > # as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. - der.hans > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "David Huerta" > To: > Subject: RE: Bandersnatch stolen > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:01:22 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > DeVry will be opening a Cybercafe on campus sometime within the next =20= > two > months. It will have free Ethernet hookups, Starbucks coffee (no beer > or real food, but possibly Bawls and Jolt), as well as some gaming > stations which are not free. The space is somewhat limited though > (there's like 4 tiny tables with 4 chairs or stools), but there's also > some chairs and tables right outside the door in the courtyard. I = know > the people in charge, so I might be able to help arrange something. > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of > der.hans > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:03 AM > To: quatsch > Subject: Bandersnatch stolen > > moin, moin, > > sadly the owner is being forced to sell. > > We need another location for the GNU/Linux Stammtisch if we wish to > continue > having the meetings. > > It needs to have a no cost Internet connection ( preferably both > wireless > and wired ) and needs to be open for all ages. Having beer and not so > expensive snacks would be good. If they normally charge for the Net > connection, but let us in for no cost, that would probably be > acceptable. > > Not in downtown Tempe. I will not be supporting MAMA. They've driven =20= > off > all > the good businesses. > > ciao, > > der.hans > --=20 > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.AZOTO.org/ > # "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by > understanding." > # -- Albert Einstein > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:03:29 -0700 (MST) > From: "der.hans" > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: Bandersnatch stolen > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Am 17. Sep, 2003 schw=3DE4tzte David Huerta so: > >> DeVry will be opening a Cybercafe on campus sometime within the next =20= >> two >> months. It will have free Ethernet hookups, Starbucks coffee (no = beer >> or real food, but possibly Bawls and Jolt), as well as some gaming >> stations which are not free. The space is somewhat limited though >> (there's like 4 tiny tables with 4 chairs or stools), but there's = also >> some chairs and tables right outside the door in the courtyard. I =20= >> know >> the people in charge, so I might be able to help arrange something. > > This is the campus in Glendale? They open Tuesday nights? Want to =20 > start a > DeVry instance of the GNU/Linux Stammtisch? > > BTW, is there a LUG going at DeVry? We want to help with meetings, =20 > topics, > etc. We also want to get them involved in the InstallFest and make =20 > sure the=3D > y > know about the HackFest ASULUG is planning. > > ciao, > > der.hans > --=3D20 > # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.AZOTO.org/ > # Like the maid, I don't do (M$)Windows. - der.hans > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > From: "Bowie J. Poag" > To: > Subject: Re: Bandersnatch stolen > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:37:48 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Are you kidding? > > Hell, if thats what MAMA stands for, I'd *want* to hold the meetings = in > downtown Tempe. It's clean, and safe. > > If I wanted to see a bunch of panhandlers urinating on the sidewalk, =20= > i'd go > to Tucson. :) > > > > > >>> MAMA? What is that? >> >> Mill Avenue Fascists ( Merchants ) Association >> >> They're the ones who decided sitting on the sidewalk is a crime, who =20= >> banned >> Traveler from playing because people like the group, who've run all =20= >> the >> cultural centers out of downtown Tempe, who've replaced those = cultural >> centers with chains and meat markets... > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:44:56 -0700 > From: Austin Godber > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: East Side Meeting > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Austin Godber wrote: >> Old Presentation and additional information available at my site: >> >> http://uberhip.com/godber/plug >> >> Austin > > My September 11th Presentation is now up. Same address. > > Austin > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Subject: Re: Bandersnatch stolen > From: Craig White > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: 17 Sep 2003 04:59:28 -0700 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 00:21, der.hans wrote: >> Am 17. Sep, 2003 schw=C3=A4tzte Alan Dayley so: >> >>>> Not in downtown Tempe. I will not be supporting MAMA. They've =20 >>>> driven off all >>>> the good businesses. >>>> >>> MAMA? What is that? >> >> Mill Avenue Fascists ( Merchants ) Association >> >> They're the ones who decided sitting on the sidewalk is a crime, who =20= >> banned >> Traveler from playing because people like the group, who've run all =20= >> the >> cultural centers out of downtown Tempe, who've replaced those = cultural >> centers with chains and meat markets... > ------ > I got the impression from the Az Republic that MAMA is virtually out = of > business too. Apparently they owe quite a bit of money to the city of > Tempe and the city will put on the Fall/Winter Festival of the Arts > without them. > > As for MAMA deciding what's appropriate in downtown Tempe - I think =20= > that > has been coming for years - it's certainly no longer a place where a > student can afford to be - high priced stores and restaurants. No =20 > longer > any interesting shops, etc. > > Craig > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > From: Vaughn Treude > Organization: Nakota Software, Inc. > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Bandersnatch stolen > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:58:10 -0400 > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > Mega-dittos on that, Hans. My favorite spot in downtown Tempe was the > Changing Hands Bookstore, and they drove that away. I guess that the = =20 > only > way to have a "world class" downtown (and lots of yummy tax revenues) =20= > is to > drive out the local mom-and-pop businesses and replace them with =20 > Starbucks. > > Vaughn > > On Wednesday 17 September 2003 03:21, you wrote: >> Am 17. Sep, 2003 schw=E4tzte Alan Dayley so: >>>> Not in downtown Tempe. I will not be supporting MAMA. They've =20 >>>> driven off >>>> all the good businesses. >>> >>> MAMA? What is that? >> >> Mill Avenue Fascists ( Merchants ) Association >> >> They're the ones who decided sitting on the sidewalk is a crime, who =20= >> banned >> Traveler from playing because people like the group, who've run all =20= >> the >> cultural centers out of downtown Tempe, who've replaced those = cultural >> centers with chains and meat markets... >> >> ciao, >> >> der.hans > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest >