On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 20:21, Michael Havens wrote: > On Monday 15 September 2003 07:52 pm, der.hans wrote: > > > It would be good, but generally just leads to frustration, in my > > experience. If we're installing for someone who's computer literate it's > > not too bad, but constantly having to spell stuff out takes a lot of > > patience. > > Thus us why you write the process down for the newbie. Then any further > education is his responsibility. ----- This is BS ALL MAJOR DISTROS HAVE INSTALLATION MANUALS - some people just find it easier to use others to do the work for them and thus they never really learn anything. The following choices are the first level of support for Red Hat 9 I don't know what resources other distros have but I would bet that they offer similar... * Red Hat Linux FAQ Answers to common questions about Red Hat Linux. * Introduction to Linux A basic introduction to Linux and its history. * Red Hat Linux Getting Started Guide The online version of the Getting Started Guide, which ships with Red Hat Linux Deluxe and Professional. * Red Hat Linux 9 Reference Guide The online version of the Reference Guide, which ships with Red Hat Linux 9 Professional. * Red Hat Linux 9 Customization Guide The online version of the Customization Guide, which ships with Red Hat Linux 9 Professional * Red Hat Linux 9 Security Guide The online version of the Security Guide, which ships with Red Hat Linux 9 Professional * Red Hat Linux 9 System Administration Primer The online version of the System Administration Primer, which ships with Red Hat Linux 9 Professional Your frustrations come from many different things... - unfamiliarity with support resources - running system as root - changing configurations of things that you don't understand (necessary sometimes to learn these things) - analog modems (modems suck - always have, always will) I don't think that it is worth the effort for someone to 're-write' installation instructions all over again. If the distro doesn't have them, then let's pick other distro's that do have them. Lastly - and this is a tricky thing...I wretch every time so stupid Macintosh user feels the need to proselytize his operating system. I see no need to proselytize beyond the thought that it is a valid choice and buying software and software / client access licenses is probably unnecessary. InstallFest is a good idea if it helps people install Linux because they are afraid to do it themselves but we should make them sign a contract that they will actually try to learn how to administrate their own boxes. Might be a good idea to have the pdf/support docs on a CD for the installed distros in addition to the distro CD's Craig