None of the suggest solutions have been succesful. ctrl + alt + F2 = what appears to be a console (there is less jibberish)... but not running at the same frequency as my monitor linux 3 (or Linux 3) with lilo = x starts up anyways It is about time for the windows solution... (where the hell is my Woody disc 1?) ------------------------- Robert James Wultsch III robert.wultsch@asu.edu sheepsleep7 (AIM) (480)951-3169 (Home) (602)692-7564 (Cell) 6900 East Gold Dust #107 Scottsdale, Arizona 85253, USA Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html