Now I have Xinitrc set to startkde when I execute startx, but thats not the problem. When I login using KDM it just gives me a xconsole, I dont want an xconsole I want it to startkde. I have edidted kdmrc, xsession, and almost every file found in ~/X11/xdm/ and still when I log in I get the xconsole and I have to type 'startkde' to get the rest of KDE to load. Also script dictates where kde looks for artsd, mine is looking for the it in my root directory, its not there, so no matter who I log in as I get no sound from KDE or its child programs. XMMS works just fine though :) So what do I need to do now to get kde to start after I log in? Aaron Cordova LFS/Dell Inspiron 8200 _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail