This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C2D2B6.5B2AF83E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMHO the way to properly apply a lawsuit would be to sue those that are NEGLIGENT at patching and fixing 0wn3d systems. So, if you notice a server listed at Dshield or on=20 your IDS that is actively performing portscans/attacks and report it to the owner and upstream it must be fixed within [INSERT TIME FRAME HERE]. If it doesn't get fixed, gather up the documentation needed and sue them for negligence and damages for not responding to and correcting the problem. My .02 -- Jean L. Francois - Linux Architect Ciber, Inc. FSIC - Ford Systems Integration Center Office - 313-317-4378 ( Temporary ) Home - 586-293-9081 ( Until April ) Cell - 602-770-5531 -----Original Message----- From: Dr. G [mailto:drghastly@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:43 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Finally, someone is holding vendors responsible for vulnerabilities There are many MANY vunerabilities in Linux. Numerous web sites list = them. Can YOU code a program so that it has 100% security, no flaws, etc? If = you can why don't you go work for these companies? Suing for flaws is not a good answer. Lawsuits arw RARELY a good = answer. If the flaw was deliberate and can be proved so, then ok. Suing a software vendor over flaws is a very bad idea. Making them = patch it is a good idea, imo. ________________________________________________________________________= ____ ______________ America stands for freedom - but if you think you're free - try walking = into a deli - and urinating on the cheese. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: "PLUG Discuss" Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: Finally, someone is holding vendors responsible for = vulnerabilities -- Korean Group Mulls Class Action Suit Over Slammer (3/4 February 2003) The People's Solidarity for Participatory Democracy (PSPD), a Korean civic group, is weighing the possibility of filing a class action lawsuit against Microsoft Corp. for damages caused by the Slammer worm. A recently passed product liability law holds companies liable for damage caused by flaws in their products. http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200302/kt2003020318021611960.htm http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/29174.html George -- Discover . . . | Free Computer Security Information <=B7=B7=B7> Secure | http://www.georgetoft.com/security Networking | @http://georgetoft.com | Lock your box - keep your affairs private! --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ------_=_NextPart_000_01C2D2B6.5B2AF83E Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Francois, Jean (J.L.).vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Francois, Jean (J.L.).vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Francois;Jean FN:Francois, Jean (J.L.) ORG:IT - Information Technology;J1514 - IT-Development TITLE:Linux Architect NOTE: TEL;WORK;VOICE:1111111 TEL;WORK;VOICE:1-602-7705531 TEL;HOME;VOICE: TEL;CELL;VOICE: TEL;PAGER;VOICE:1-602-7705531 TEL;HOME: ADR;WORK:;FSIC - FORD SYSTEMS INTEGRATION CTR;Video Conference ;ALLEN PARK ;MI ;48101-3614 ;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:FSIC - FORD SYSTEMS INTEGRATION CTR=0D=0AVideo Conference =0D=0AALLEN PARK ,= MI 48101-3614 =0D=0AUSA EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jfranc46@ford.com REV:20030211T183843Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01C2D2B6.5B2AF83E--