Am 28. Jan, 2003 schw=E4tzte James Bunnell so: > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 12:35, der.hans wrote: > > > It is directly m$'s fault. m$ quietly installs m$sql for several softwa= re > > packages. It's part of their m$de that's reportedly installed for certa= in > > releases of packages like visio, m$ project, and m$ office. So not only= does > > it default to a bad setup, but people don't even know it's installed. T= hey > > should know, but that's discouraged in the m$ce world... > > So, I can blame Debian directly for allowing me to install XFree86 4.2.1 > and breaking my config? And if I dont run apt-get or up2date often You could blame them if they installed portmap by default, which they unfortunately do, such that it, with a default config, was accessable via the network. Oh, I used to go off on RedHat for doing just that. https://www.LuftHans.com/unix/docs/HOWTO/securing_RedHat.html Also note that the GNU/Linux dists make many audit tools available, e.g. nmap, lsof, netstat, ps, tons of packet sniffers and just about anything else you'd want. I can also peel open the packages and see what they contain before installing them. > enought its still Debian and Redhat's fault? Because they release > updates more often than M$. Bleh. Part of my point was that debian releases updates for the security issues and doesn't try to cram a bunch of other stuff down my throat and certainly not a change in the licensing. Not for security fixes. debian also doesn't run a scam certifying people who paid to take marketing classes as competen= t sys_adms. ciao, der.hans --=20 # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.TOLISGroup.com/ # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans