I agree, I have seen the distro wars in news groups and they carry on for a couple of weeks. Distro wars are lame. Fighting over software is lame too. Use whatever distro and whatever packages you want, thats one of the great benefits of FREEDOM. >From: "Garrett" >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >To: >Subject: Re: why your distro sucks >Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:22:49 -0700 > >Distro wars are boring and senseless. > >Use whatever works for you. Any of the distributions can be set up properly >or improperly. I concurrently use Debian, Redhat, and Trustix with GRSEC >and >ACLs; they all do the trick. Red Hat sits on my desktop and never gets >booted (grin, linux doesn't run Softice, or Hitman 2), Trustix on >perimeter, >and Debian on the other computers. > >I generally take Debian to clients and customers since Debian has the >oh-so-wonderful apt-get, but that's also my preference. Another reason I >take Debian to customers is that I have never taken the time to learn how >to >properly secure most other distros out of the box, while I believe I have >done so with Debian. That doesn't make Debian the better distro, but it >does >make Debian a better choice for my situation. In my experience, customers >usually don't care unless they intend to develop software for it (and then >they probably won't be using consultants to set it up, anyhow), they just >want the job done. And besides, all of the distributions do the same thing. >They all run the kernel, you install software, break it, remove it, develop >it, hack it to pieces, etc. > >In response to your posed questions: > >1) It does no good to berate anyone for anything computer-related (unless >your kid wiped your HD or something). Computers aren't life. >2) Normally the people who are quick to condescend based on someone else's >choice of software are simply inferring that they don't know much about >said >software. I take advantage of times like that to familiarize myself with >mail filters and the /ignore feature of most IRC clients. :) > >My /bin/2cents, >Garrett > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Craig White" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:38 PM >Subject: why your distro sucks > > > > I am not gonna mention any names but I find some of the bludgeoning that > > goes on with some people's opinion often going over the top. > > > > I have used Redhat since 5.2 (but I think 6.0 had already been released) > > and it was 6.1 or 6.2 by the time I was starting to understand what it > > was that I was looking at. My usage at that time was primarily as a > > firewall / mail /webserver for Macintosh & Windows networks. > > > > To this point, I have always used Redhat as my distro, sendmail as my > > MTA, UW-IMAP as my pop/imap server, wu-ftpd as the ftp daemon etc. > > > > Perhaps my ignorance has been the cause of my bliss but the stuff has > > always worked. Yes, RH 6.1's sendmail allowed open mail relay but I > > learned to close it. Yes, I had some boxes hacked into way back when but > > it was my ignorance on a proper firewall and I learned ipchains very > > well. While I can't make heads or tails of the sendmail rulesets, I > > found out, I didn't have to...I only needed to know how to use the > > sendmail.mc file and the m4 utility and how to masquerade a domain, how > > to accept mail for a domain, use authentication for sending and how to > > create aliases. I also figured out how to chroot a 'unix user' in > > wu-ftpd and uw-imap has never failed me. > > > > Since my experience with linux has only been for maybe 3 1/2 years, I > > don't have any knowledge of sendmail/uw-imap/wu-ftpd frailties of the > > past...I only know that these packages have been rock solid for 3 1/2 > > years now...have worked day in/day out and I actually learned how to > > configure them and life is good. I'm getting pretty good at this > > stuff...I even have been trying to help the guy with Mandrake even > > though I have never seen a computer running Mandrake. > > > > I am certain that the opinion is held by many knowledgable circles, > > there are better than sendmail/uw-imap/wu-ftpd and Redhat. > > > > My point is that what purpose does it serve to berate me or anyone else > > for using Redhat or any of these packages? Why isn't it obvious that > > those who gently suggest that there may be a better way appear to be > > more knowledgable than those who can't pass up an opportunity to suggest > > that you are stupid for using them. It reminds me of stupid Macintosh > > users that wanted to grab some elitist high ground because of the > > computer that they were using. > > > > I can tell you this...using Redhat has meant that I don't have to > > educate my customers on why I'm using debian which they have never heard > > of instead of Redhat which they have. > > > > I will install debian soon enough...if not at the non-profit, certainly > > on the next computer for my own personal use. But Redhat has been a > > tremendous asset to the open source / free software community, > > especially when breaking into the corporate offices as the first wave of > > free software in the Microsoft stranglehold. > > > > My suggestion...if you prefer one package over another or one distro > > over another and you don't have the time and/or energy to actually say > > why, then just say that this is what you prefer. If you feel the need to > > trample the stuff that is working fine for me, you should know that I > > will lose some respect for your opinion. > > > > Craig > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail