It's a question of resource handling and gui toolkits in memory. KDE and Gnome are both massive memory hogs. Most old school unix freaks enjoy a lite wm like twvm...depends upon knowing the command line like a freak ;) If you don't like the speed of mozilla why don't you try out phoenix, its a XUL based mozilla =D good luck regards, -- --minddog( Adam Ballai ) "I try to take it one day at a time, but several of them attack me at once." -mistyflip