Wow, after reading the last thread I'm really glad I didn't install my copy of RH8.0 yet. I was saving it for a weekend when I felt like tinkering, but I NEVER feel like tinkering THAT much. No one seems to challenge the notion that RH does a half-@$$ job on x.0 releases, and I find that very disturbing. After paying $140+ for "free" software, I expect to get something for my money that's not available if I download the truly free versions. The only reason for paying is the assumption that RH does due diligence to see that the included packages work properly and are complete. I tend to assume that x.0 releases are "major" releases, a culmination of a larger effort than a minor release. It sounds like RedHat's philosophy is bass-ackwards. Looks to me like the most economical thing for me to do at this point is toss that expensive gray box in the trash. My time is worth more than the $$ lost gambling on RedHat's integrity. -- Phil Mattison Ohmikron Corp. 480-722-9595 602-820-9452 Mobile