David> ... unless you have experience with Red Hat David> and know never to use a x.0 release you tend David> to expect it to work, which when it does notit David> tends to give people bad experiences. I've been using Red Hat since about 5.1 (before that about 15 years of more traditional commercial Unices), and was well aware of the caveats. However, I needed some things that are in 8.0, and also know that 8.0 would undo a Very Bad Booboo I made a couple of months ago (my fault) wherein I wiped out a whole directory tree of libraries, which proved to be too complicated to fix completely by other means. (And I don't have a whole lot of time available these days for tinkering with the system, which makes this weekend's problems all the more irksome.) Upgrading did, in fact, fix the missing library brokenness. However, I was at 7.2 (never did 7.3), and all the reviews I'd read gave 8.0 a solid rating, so I took a chance and tried it. Judging from the excessive proportion of fluff verbiage in the reviews I read ("cool!" "... this rocks!", etc.), the ones I read may have been submitted mainly by newbie-kids and users looking for Windows replacements. My dilemma serves me right for paying attention. Now I have to find a way to live with it and use the environment I've made for myself to make a living in for the next couple of months, since I'm out of play time. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ