Over the weekend I "upgraded" my system from RH 7.2 to 8.0. I can't remember, in 19 years of Unix system experience, seeing so many things break as a result of an upgrade. I won't bore the list with a litany of details; suffice it to say it's been an interesting weekend. I no longer trust RH, and will likely start from scratch with a different distro and s the next time I feel a need to change my OS. Some of the changes were dismaying to see, since they effectively removed functionality that I use upon which I have depended for some time. I have no objections to "different". I'm adventurous, and know that different can be good. But different should also be better. Lest I get off on a rant here, let me get to the point of this message, which is to seek information. o I'm using the new GNOME Blue{whatever}, and am willing to give it a fair try, since I'll have to live with it for a while. I'm more than merely disappointed to see that it apparently no longer uses sawfish as its window manager. Why not? Whatever the beast is that replaces it (and I can't even figure out what that is) is wimpy. I particularly hate the weak support for keyboard bindings. o Several applets that I formerly used frequently no longer exist at all. Significant cases in point: - gnomeicu no longer works at all. Ironically, the distro contains an updated version, but evidently the shared library used to run it no longer exists, i.e., must have been removed from the system. When I try to start it from a command line (which I don't expect to work, because it's an applet), I get this: $ gnomeicu: error while loading shared libraries: libpanel_applet.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I need an IRQ client available all day long in my daily work, because I telecommute. I suppose I could go to licq, but I hate it. - The wonderful little utility that used to exist for making screenshots under GNOME is no longer there. There is an adequate but inferior replacement, captured, I believe, from KDE. Why did they replace that? I want it back. I use it daily. Or used to. - The time and mail notification applet I used to use is gone. There's a butt-ugly plain text time and date gizmo, but no mail notification program I have been able to locate. I could revert to using xbiff from years ago, but I certainly don't want to. That's enough complaining for one message. If anyone can provide any guidance concerning any of these matters, it will be much appreciated. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ ... just another Linux hacker trying to get some work done ..