I, Cringley of pbs has some interesting commentary on the palladium mess at
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html (that's august 2001)
and more currently at http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020627.html

It goes along the lines of what hans is/was saying.

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David Uhlman
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----- Original Message -----
From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@lufthans.com>
To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Win32 API utterly and irreprarable broken


> Am 08. Aug, 2002 schwätzte Robert Bushman so:
>
> > That's the problem - it is currently impossible
> > to execute untrusted code on a Windows box safely.
> > That's what the author means by "unfixable" - it's
> > currently impossible to have a functional Windows
> > box on which you can safely execute untrusted code.
> >
> > This is why Microsoft thinks Palladium is necessary.
>
> That's not why m$ thinks palladium is necessary. That's how m$ is getting
> everyone else to think palladium is necessary.
>
> > They don't even grasp the fact that you can safely
> > execute untrusted code if your operating system's
> > security is designed correctly. So they have to
> > implement this ridiculous scheme where every piece
> > of code is authenticated by an outside authority.
>
> I find it difficult to believe that all the brain child engineering
> geniouses its snapped in can't figure out how to make a secure system.
>
> m$ is a marketing company driven by the business need to control as much
as
> it can ( caveat emptor: buyer beware ).
>
> The constant gaping security holes allow its marketing division to
> convince m$ customers that they need to turn over their private data and
> entrust it all to m$.
>
> Why lock people/companies out with a proprietary data format when you can
> force them to give you their data and ask your permission to use it?
>
> "Welcome to the Databank of Bill. Turn your head and cough."
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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