Derek, One of the great things about the Linux and open source community in general, is that there is a LOT of support. This mailing list is a prime example. The odds are pretty slim that you would not be able to find a timely solution to a problem that is occuring due to a 'custom' built linux kernel; unless of course the kernel is riddled with propriatary code of your own. Lets face it; the Linux kernel has a lot of features that are enabled by default, and many of them are not loadable kernel modules. This may be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on the application of the particular machine and the needs of it's administrator. In some situations I would agree that the 'resources' saved are a good thing; One situation would be your average linux desktop user who is happy as long as the machine doesn't randomly reboot when building mozilla. In production environments however, I would say that it is absolutely essential to have custom kernel builds; even if only for optimized performance. Just my two cents. Thanks, Joshua C. Bergeron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Neighbors" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Debian Install Newbie Tips > Support. Plain and simple. With a custom kernel if you have somethign > going wrong you are the only person on the planet running that kernel > configuration. So it opens a huge can of worms for trouble shooting > and feed back and such. > > If I were in a position that I really felt that I was bleeding performance > by having extra modules available (its not like you have to load them) I > would compile a kernel or if there was not a debian kernel available that > had the features I needed. > > Certainly there is nothing wrong with compiling your own kernel, I just > think the 'resources' saved are minimal in application weighed against > having a wider userbase in which to garner support and such on. > > Nothing wrong with having differing opinions. > > -Derek > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Mike Starke wrote: > > > I, on the otherhand, do just the opposite: I have used Debain > > for years, and that is the first thing I do after an install (or, > > rather part of the install process). Compile what I need in a brand > > new kernel, and then I'm done. > > > > Is there a reason why you would run stock kernel's with > > more features compiled than you need? > > > > v/r > > Mike > > > > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 12:25:47PM -0400, Robert Bushman wrote: > > Ahhh, just the answer I was looking for. How > > will this affect the other modules I specified, > > like cmpci (my sound card), ide-scsi (to > > emulate scsi for my burner), and eepro100? > > Would they have been set up as external modules? > > > > Any thoughts on whether this will work with a > > dual Athlon? (is the MP architecture manufacturer > > independant?) > > > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > > I have a rule to only run stock Debian kernels unless absolutely > > > mandatory. Compiling kernels is fun, but if stock one contains what I > > > need, I just dont. ;) > > > > > > Have you tried apt-getting: > > > > > > kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP. > > > > > > -Derek > > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Robert Bushman wrote: > > > > > > > Is there some Debian way of reconfiguring > > > > the kernel, or should I just do it the old fashioned > > > > way? I forgot to add SMP, so only the right CPU > > > > is working. It's fine when I run Gimp or OpenOffice > > > > Impress, but if I try to fire up OpenOffice Calc or > > > > GnuCash, it gets all disaffected, says something like, > > > > "math is the hobgoblin of small minds", and goes off > > > > in the corner to smoke clove cigarettes. > > > > > > > > I tried /usr/sbin/base-config, but it looks like that > > > > starts after the kernel configuration. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Derek Neighbors wrote: > > > > > > > > > > - If you've got a big pipe, do a net install. Grab > > > > > > the minimal .iso (about 10 megs). This way, you only > > > > > > download what you're installing. > > > > > > > > > > Gack, its much easier to download 3 floppies. (root, rescue, driver) > > > > > > > > *3* floppies? It took me half an hour yesterday > > > > to dig up 2 floppies for LEAF. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 'Microsoft also warned today that the era of "open computing," the > > free exchange of digital information that has defined the personal > > computer industry, is ending.' > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/25/technology/25NET.html > > > > Will Microsoft permit you to use your mission critical data when > > you need it? 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