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> Yep, I'm a schmoe.  I was thinking alternatives to MS-based apps, not
> alternatives that run on MS. I'm going to have more coffee now . . . :)

That reminds me, we need to start a Free and Open Standards language to
replace java. Taking from their hype of caffeine I propose we call it Meth.

ROTFLM*O - But I think we already have them (though not as mature as Java think Ruby / Mozilla). 

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Carl P.