The box I purchased was mfg by GQ in China and is distributed in the USA by BTC Corp(510)657-3956 provide are Intel Celeron @ 1.1GHz 128MB SDRAM PC133 20GB UDMA100 hard drive 56k V92 modem Intel Direct AGP integrated graphics with shared video mem 2 USB ports(the motherboard doc says USB 2.0) Box has two open bays, 2 DIMM slots one open & four PCI slots 2 open. Thizlinux 5.0 Laboratory limited Thizoffice 2.0 providing drawing,presentation,spreadsheet and a text editor. Konqueror Mozilla My intuition tells this distribution has redhat roots but I am new to the Linux world and am still fumbling. The price seemed right and I wanted a Linux lab box to play with. My original question, was whether I should use Thiz linux or use Redhat Linus 7.3 which I already have. >From: plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: PLUG-discuss digest, Vol 1 #2553 - 13 msgs >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:15:12 -0700 > >Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >You can reach the person managing the list at > plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please (Robert Bushman) > 2. Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please (Lee Einer) > 3. Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please (Lee Einer) > 4. Re: i need some advice (Imre Kertesz) > 5. Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please (KevinO) > 6. Re: i need some advice (Raymond Cantwell) > 7. Test message Time 1206 pm (Raymond Cantwell) > 8. Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please (Robert Bushman) > 9. Re: i need some advice (bob smith) > 10. Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please (Robert Bushman) > 11. Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please (Robert Bushman) > 12. Re: Test message Time 1206 pm (Bryce C) > 13. Re: Test message Time 1206 pm (Bryce C) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:59:27 -0400 (EDT) >From: Robert Bushman >To: >Subject: Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > > There are several formats which are likely to meet everyone's needs. > > Text would do, assuming that we are discussing content rather than > > format. PDF documents can probably be read by everyone on the list, > > but I realize that not everybody is able to write to PDF format, which > > is a disadvantage. HTML documents can be read by anybody, regardless > > of the OS or office suite they use. > >You're right, of course. Those are all good formats, >and should be used in most situations. In this >particular case, since we have to have the document >done so soon I didn't want to have to reformat it, >so I was hoping to get away with just using OpenOffice. >But, having your input is more important than the >half hour it'll take me to integrate your feedback. > >I've published it in HTML format here: >http://traxel.com/plug/gcc-proposal_MLedit.html > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:12:16 -0700 >From: Lee Einer >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >Robert, it was not my intent to insult you or cast aspersions upon >you, and I am sorry if you took it that way. > >What you said was > > As an aside, now that you mention it, I do plan > to start publishing things in OpenOffice format > with the intent of forcing people to install it, > but that was not the purpose in this case. > >Your description of your plan was not limited to publishing a limited >group of documents to a specific group of recipients- it was a general >statement of intent to start publishing things in OpenOffice format >for the purpose of forcing people to install it, and that proposition >as stated does sound (to me, anyway) a lot like a Microsoft strategy. >I don't think that I was wrong to say so. > >My comment was specifically directed at your stated plan to >intentionally force people to install specific software. My e-mail did >not contain any negative characterization of you, your character, your >motivations, etc, and (again) I am sorry if you perceived it >otherwise. > >FWIW, I appreciate your contributions to this group, and the work >which you are doing with the Installfest. > > > > >-- >Lee Einer > >http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:20:48 -0700 >From: Lee Einer >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >No need to incorporate my feedback into this document- I think that >it's great as written. > >Thanks for publishing this document in a format which I could access- >I tried the suggestion to unzip the OpenOffice document and just read >the XML text, but had no luck. > > >-- >Lee Einer > >http://members.cox.net/appealsman/ > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:19:11 -0700 >From: Imre Kertesz >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: i need some advice >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >Raymond - > >I reside in the dark corner of information security and this is my perspective of the degree/certificate issue. Matt made a good point >earlier about degrees - they will make you look better on paper and allow to bill yourself at a higher rate -- but -- unless your >school is REALLY on the cutting edge, IT education is frightfully behind the times, particularly in the security field. I'm not >knocking formal education - it will definitely provide you with a solid foundation but it is ULTIMATELY up to you and your desire to be >effective (intellectually competitive in current/modern IT issues) as to whether or not a degree will help you. In other words: know >what's going on in your field! > >Certificates are great to have and like degrees, look good on paper. However, If someone has a pretty good memory and can scan Krause & >Tipton's Information Security Management tome or a CCNA primer, the certification tests are a breeze. I know plenty of folks in my >industry, with chains of certifications attached to their names, who are complete nuggets when it comes to the simplest problems. IF you >want or have a certification and actually want to be credible in that topic, you need to make a personal journey out of knowing that >topic to the point that you can teach it. Why? You will open far more doors with the correct answers and solutions to difficult problems >if you make an effort to master the material. Here is an example: I've interviewed too many people with CCIE certifications on their >resume who could NOT describe to me how to segment a subnet or make a crossover cable. > >So in response to your question: Yes - do both: degree and certificates - but do it smart and do it for the right reasons. Additionally, >surround yourself with smart people with whom you can trade ideas and ask questions. But - youre already a member of this list so that >does not seem to be an issue. > >Good luck on your journey. > > >Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > Hey all, > > Now i wanna start this with a disclaimer. I am not asking anyone to take > > me under thier wing or gimme a chance with them at thier job or even > > find me a job. With that said i just need a little guidance as to which > > route to take in my career. Right now i know that any chance in IT is a > > ways off, maybe two or three years. I just dont know if i should try > > going for a degree or if i should go for certs or both. Sorry for the > > rambling message just feeling alittle confused. Any advice will be welcomed. > > Thank you all, > > Ray > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >-- > >-· · ···- · ·-· ·--· · - ·- -··· ··- ·-· -· ·· -· --· -·· --- --· >"If you sit quietly at the edge of a river, eventually >you will see the bodies of your enemies float by" >-A maxim of patience, author unknown > >Imre Kertesz >480.363.1492 >PGP ID: 0x1C1E5054 > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:45:58 -0700 >From: KevinO >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >Just for yucks... > >The html version of the latest revision of this document that I have is at : > >http://kevin.kevino.org/gcc-proposal_MLedit-1.html > >I will try to keep an eye on the list and keep this up to date. > >The html format was done by doing a 'save as' using OpenOffice. > >Lee Einer wrote: > > There are several formats which are likely to meet everyone's needs. > > Text would do, assuming that we are discussing content rather than > > format. PDF documents can probably be read by everyone on the list, > > but I realize that not everybody is able to write to PDF format, which > > is a disadvantage. HTML documents can be read by anybody, regardless > > of the OS or office suite they use. > > > > > > > >-- >KevinO > >Matz's Law: > A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:56:26 -0700 >From: "Raymond Cantwell" >To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Subject: Re: i need some advice >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > >Imre, p./ >I would like to thank you and all the other fine folks of Plug for giving > >.`me some solid advice and guidance. I am going to go to school within >the >next few months a`nd i am already working on my CCNA. I am 30 and >trying >to make a huge career change, I guess i am Plugs chef right now, >Hey does >that make me the first open source chef, sorry i got OT. Again >you all have >been a very useful resource for direction. >Thank you all, >Ray >Imre Kertesz wrote: > > Raymond - > >I reside in the dark corner of information security and this is my >perspective of the degree/certificate issue. Matt made a good point >earlier about degrees - they will make you look better on paper and allow >to bill yourself at a higher rate -- but -- unless your >school is REALLY on the cutting edge, IT education is frightfully behind >the times, particularly in the security field. I'm not >knocking formal education - it will definitely provide you with a solid >foundation but it is ULTIMATELY up to you and your desire to be >effective (intellectually competitive in current/modern IT issues) as to >whether or not a degree will help you. In other words: know >what's going on in your field! > >Certificates are great to have and like degrees, look good on paper. >However, If someone has a pretty good memory and can scan Krause & >Tipton's Information Security Management tome or a CCNA primer, the >certification tests are a breeze. I know plenty of folks in my >industry, with chains of certifications attached to their names, who are >complete nuggets when it comes to the simplest problems. IF you >want or have a certification and actually want to be credible in that >topic, you need to make a personal journey out of knowing that >topic to the point that you can teach it. Why? You will open far more doors >with the correct answers and solutions to difficult problems >if you make an effort to master the material. Here is an example: I've >interviewed too many people with CCIE certifications on their >resume who could NOT describe to me how to segment a subnet or make a >crossover cable. > >So in response to your question: Yes - do both: degree and certificates - >but do it smart and do it for the right reasons. Additionally, >surround yourself with smart people with whom you can trade ideas and ask >questions. But - youre already a member of this list so that >does not seem to be an issue. > >Good luck on your journey. > > >Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > Hey all, >Now i wanna start this with a disclaimer. I am not asking anyone to take >me under thier wing or gimme a chance with them at thier job or even >find me a job. With that said i just need a little guidance as to which >route to take in my career. Right now i know that any chance in IT is a >ways off, maybe two or three years. I just dont know if i should try >going for a degree or if i should go for certs or both. Sorry for the >rambling message just feeling alittle confused. Any advice will be >welcomed. >Thank you all, >Ray > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >-- > >-· · ···- · ·-· ·--· · - ·- -··· ··- ·-· -· ·· -· --· -·· --- --· >"If you sit quietly at the edge of a river, eventually >you will see the bodies of your enemies float by" >-A maxim of patience, author unknown > >Imre Kertesz >480.363.1492 >PGP ID: 0x1C1E5054 > > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- >Raymond Cantwell >malbojia@qwest.netSun Jul 21 10:01:18 MST 2002 >"The first rule of leadership is everything is your fault." > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:06:56 -0700 > >From: "Raymond Cantwell" >To: "PLUG-discuss" >Subject: Test message Time >1206 pm >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >12:06 Post >Meridian > >-- >Raymond Cantwell >malbojia@qwest.netSun Jul 21 10:01:18 MST >2002 >"The first rule of leadership is everything is your fault." > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:30:16 -0400 (EDT) > >From: Robert Bushman >To: >Subject: Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please > >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, >Lee Einer wrote: > > > Robert, it was not my intent to insult you or cast >aspersions upon > > you, and I am sorry if you took it that way. > >My >apologies - I have such a powerfully negative >image of Bill Gates, and >particularly Steve >Ballmer (more malevolent and less intelligent), >that I >overreacted. > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:02:15 >-0700 (PDT) >From: bob smith >Subject: Re: i need some advice >To: >plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Reply-To: >plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >--- Imre Kertesz wrote: > > >Raymond - > > Certificates are great to have and like degrees, > > look >good on paper. > >If someone wanted to get into computer security as a > >possible career choice is there anything else you >would recommend they >do? In your opinion, how could >one gain some good experience and be >considered as a >possible candidate for the job? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:23:55 -0400 (EDT) > >From: Robert Bushman >To: >Subject: Re: GCC Next Step - Help Please > >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, >Lee Einer wrote: > > > As an aside, now that you mention it, I do plan > > >to start publishing things in OpenOffice format > > with the intent of >forcing people to install it, > > but that was not the purpose in this >case. > > > > Your description of your plan was not limited to publishing a >limited > > group of documents to a specific group of recipients- it was a >general > > statement of intent to start publishing things in OpenOffice >format > > for the purpose of forcing people to install it, and that >proposition > > as stated does sound (to me, anyway) a lot like a Microsoft >strategy. > > I don't think that I was wrong to say so. > >You are right, >and I should have been more clear. My >statement had no scope >specification, which was >dumb. I only ever meant "one thing that I intend > >to do on some occasions", but it is easier to >interpret my statement as >a generalization. I assure >you that none of those occasions will be with >PLUG >documents whose intent is maximum dispersal. As you >noted, it would >be counterproductive. > >OTOH, we should consider the value of using >OpenOffice >generally. Professional looking documents are helpful >to the >public perception of an organization, and I >think OpenOffice is the most >portable solution at the >moment. If the only hurdle is getting OpenOffice > >running on your machine, I'll help you install Mandrake >8.1 (and I'm >sure we can find someone to help if you'd >prefer a different distro). I >can come out to GCC at >5:30 on Tuesday if you'd like to do it before the > >meeting. I will loan you a hard drive if you want to >test drive it >before you commit. > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 >15:34:03 -0400 (EDT) >From: Robert Bushman >To: >Subject: Re: GCC Next Step >- Help Please >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >On Sun, >21 Jul 2002, Lee Einer wrote: > > > No need to incorporate my feedback into >this document- I think that > > it's great as written. > >Very agreed - >you, Jim Farli, and Michelle Lowman >make an excellant writing team. You >hit all the >right points. > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >Subject: Re: >Test message Time 1206 pm >From: Bryce C >To: >plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Date: 21 Jul 2002 13:47:55 -0700 > >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >Received 12:19. >This >response sent 13:47 > >On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 12:06, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > 12:06 Post Meridian > > > > -- > > Raymond Cantwell > > >malbojia@qwest.netSun Jul 21 10:01:18 MST 2002 > > "The first rule of >leadership is everything is your fault." > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > See >http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to >the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss >mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > >-- > >Bryce Chidester >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce AT >BryceCo DOT Net >http://www.bryceco.net > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 > >Subject: Re: Test message Time 1206 pm >From: Bryce C >To: >plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >Date: 21 Jul 2002 14:04:45 -0700 > >Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >This message received >ad 14:00. >Messages take 12 min to reach list. >Sent 14:04. > >On Sun, >2002-07-21 at 13:47, Bryce C wrote: > > Received 12:19. > > This response >sent 13:47 > > > > On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 12:06, Raymond Cantwell wrote: > > > > 12:06 Post Meridian > > > > > > -- > > > Raymond Cantwell > > > >malbojia@qwest.netSun Jul 21 10:01:18 MST 2002 > > > "The first rule of >leadership is everything is your fault." > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > > See >http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to >the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > -- > > > Bryce Chidester > > Network Administrator > > CoBryce Communications > > > Bryce AT BryceCo DOT Net > > http://www.bryceco.net > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > See >http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to >the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss >mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > >-- > >Bryce Chidester >Network Administrator >CoBryce Communications >Bryce AT >BryceCo DOT Net >http://www.bryceco.net > > > > >--__--__-- > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG-discuss mailing >list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > >End of >PLUG-discuss Digest _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com