Lynn David Newton wrote: > As for requiring a command line to install something: > What's the big deal about that? I prefer it that way. > At least then you can see what's going on. Well, as a lifelong techie I tend to agree with you. But I'm interested in seeing Linux become popular on the GUI desktop, and that means accommodating to people who DO NOT DO the command line. This is not a lack of sophistication. It is just a different way of thinking. We command line folks are in the minority. Salespeople, executives, and artists for the most part want to use the machine to get results, and they want their Ferrari to drive like a Geo only faster. Point it down the street, step on the gas, and go. You shouldn't have to designate the octane rating, specify which side of the road we'll drive on, and go under the hood to turn the ignition key. Hey, I'm a programmer, and I'm responsible for a lot of this kind of thing because I am undaunted by command lines and config files. But we are trying to "go public" here, and we will just continue to get a lot of strange looks from ordinary people until Linux becomes an environment friendlier to those people. Linux could do so much better, but it lacks integration and adherence to the customers' requirements. This will improve. And it needs to. And a lot of people in this group are the type of folks who can make it happen -- as proven by the class and professionalism displayed at the Maricopa County meeting. Remember, the main requirement from most of the customers' point of view is that the system do what is expected. No reason this couldn't happen, but Unix/Linux traditions are being treated as absolutes so that a Mac/Windows oriented person has to make all sorts of arbitrary adjustments to get aboard. Linux needs to carve out a smaller world where these people can feel safe, to begin with. We can nail down a spec and beat the competition at their own game, without compromising the bigger world that we all know exists within the GNU environment. And start with "normal" clipboard management! Sheesh! Vic