This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C2228A.279F55A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i just added the url: http://www.technicaljanitors.com/main/who_is_using_linux.php thanks to Tom Emerson anthony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tickticker=20 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: an email i would like to send to KTAR 620 Should I send this off and hope for some reaction? or does it suck and = somebody else should? or am i just forgetting something? and I'm not = sure if i should keep the very last line and url in as our page doesn't = mention this topic. anthony =20 =20 Hello, As a longtime listener, I thought that a little local government news = that isn't getting ANY popular press but has far reaching impact might = be worth a few words of discussion. The state of Arizona, as well as several if not all counties and = school districts, has a clause for debarring contractors if they have = violated certain Federal laws concerning Antitrust activities. Last = year, Microsoft was found guilty of just such actions and are now in the = penalty phase. A large group of concerned citizens has realized that = many of our goverment agencies are therefore "breaking the rules" by = spending MILLIONS on contracts with Microsoft when they should not even = be in the running for these contracts. Here is an excerpt from an email I sent to my County Councilman: "According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND SUSPENSION OF CONTRACTORS, I read = the following: "B. The causes for Debarment or Suspension shall include, but are not limited to, the following: 2. Conviction of any Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any = Person under any statute of the Federal government, this State or its = political subdivision or any other State for: k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business integrity or = business honesty which affects responsibility as a Contractor. 3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by any Person or = any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or Federal Antitrust Statutes." Microsoft, having been convicted of Federal Antitrust Statutes = (penalties pending), clearly falls into the catagory described in part = 3, and several court cases past and pending show a clear lack of = integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2. I cannot find = that ANY government body would be willing to work with such contractors, = let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring those rules. There are many alternatives to Microsofts products. Alternatives that = have broken no laws, Federal or Local, are well supported and used by = many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et al). As a concerned voter = in Chandler, I must point out that I cannot support criminal behavior = and would hope that my County Council would see fit to do the same and = ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly unqualified to meet = County requirements." The county has responded to us thus: "You recently inquired about the County's use of Microsoft products = and the manner in which we license their software. We appreciate your = interest in the County's technology plans. To provide a forum in which = to discuss our technology direction and address any questions you may = have, we will have Information Technology staff members available to = meet with citizens at 8:30 am on Monday July 8th. The meeting location = will be the County Administration Building at 301 W. Jefferson in Suite = 420. Please RSVP your attendance so we can ensure that adequate = facilities are available for the meeting. Thank you for your inquiry,=20 Paul Allsing=20 Deputy CIO=20 Maricopa County=20 301 W Jefferson, Suite 420=20 Phoenix, AZ 85003 " Yes, this Monday. If you are at all interested and would like further = information for perusal, feel free to reply to this email or view the = following urls: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D02/06/17/1651231&tid=3D103 = (Slashdot) and again here: = http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D02/07/01/1832218&mode=3Dthread&tid=3D= 167 = http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-July/026752.html = (discussion thread of Phoenix Linux user Group) = http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/025868.html = (discussion thread of Phoenix Linux user Group) = http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/026044.html = (discussion thread of Phoenix Linux user Group) = http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/026345.html = (discussion thread of Phoenix Linux user Group) Alternatives to Microsoft are secure and even used by governments = (Germany, Taiwan) with the cost being inexpesive and the total cost of = ownership being 50% less. We are organizing several meetings about how to handle the Monday = meeting, interested parties can follow along at our website: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ Thank you, Anthony Milbauer (480) 659-9920 ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C2228A.279F55A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i just added the url:
 
htt= p://www.technicaljanitors.com/main/who_is_using_linux.php
 
thanks to Tom Emerson
 
anthony
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 tickticker=20
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.pho= enix.az.us=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 = 11:58=20 AM
Subject: an email i would like = to send to=20 KTAR 620

Should I send this off and hope for some reaction? or does it = suck and=20 somebody else should?  or am i just forgetting something? and I'm = not=20 sure if i should keep the very last line and url in as our page = doesn't=20 mention this topic.
 
anthony
 
 
Hello,
 
As a longtime listener, I thought = that a little=20 local government news that isn't getting ANY popular press but has far = reaching impact might be worth a few words of discussion.
 
The state of Arizona, as well as = several if not=20 all counties and school districts, has a clause for debarring = contractors if=20 they have violated certain Federal laws concerning Antitrust = activities. =20 Last year, Microsoft was found guilty of just such actions and are now = in the=20 penalty phase.  A large group of concerned citizens has realized = that=20 many of our goverment agencies are therefore "breaking the rules" by = spending=20 MILLIONS on contracts with Microsoft when they should not even be in = the=20 running for these contracts.
 
Here is an excerpt from an email I = sent to my=20 County Councilman:
 
"According to MC1-902 DEBARMENT AND = SUSPENSION OF=20 CONTRACTORS, I read the following:
 
"B. The causes for Debarment or = Suspension shall=20 include, but are not
limited to, the following:
2. Conviction of = any=20 Person or any subsidiary or affiliate of any Person
under any = statute of=20 the Federal government, this State or its political
subdivision or = any=20 other State for:
k. Any other offense indicating a lack of business = integrity or business
honesty which affects responsibility as a=20 Contractor.
3. Conviction or civil judgment finding a violation by = any=20 Person or any
subsidiary or affiliate of any Person under State or = Federal=20 Antitrust
Statutes."
 
Microsoft, having been convicted of = Federal=20 Antitrust Statutes (penalties pending), clearly falls into the = catagory=20 described in part 3, and several court cases past and pending show a = clear=20 lack of integrity and business honesty as outlined in part 2.  I=20 cannot find that ANY government body would be willing to work = with such=20 contractors, let alone having rules against it and clearly ignoring = those=20 rules.
 
There are many alternatives to = Microsofts=20 products.  Alternatives that have broken no laws, Federal or = Local, are=20 well supported and used by many large governments (Germany, Taiwan, et = al).  As a concerned voter in Chandler, I must point out that I = cannot=20 support criminal behavior and would hope that my County Council would = see fit=20 to do the same and ONLY consider alternatives as Microsoft is clearly=20 unqualified to meet County requirements."
 
The county has responded to us thus:
 
"You recently = inquired about the=20 County's use of Microsoft products and the manner in which we license = their=20 software.  We appreciate your interest in the County's technology = plans.  To provide a forum in which to discuss our technology = direction=20 and address any questions you may have, we will have Information = Technology=20 staff members available to meet with citizens at 8:30 am on Monday = July=20 8th.  The meeting location will be the County Administration = Building at=20 301 W. Jefferson in Suite 420.  Please RSVP your attendance so we = can=20 ensure that adequate facilities are available for the=20 meeting.

Thank you for=20 your inquiry,
Paul=20 Allsing
Deputy = CIO=20
Maricopa = County
301 W Jefferson, Suite = 420
Phoenix, AZ 85003 "
 
Yes, this Monday.  If you are at = all=20 interested and would like further information for perusal, feel free = to reply=20 to this email or view the following urls:
 
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D02/06/17/1651231&tid=3D103=20 (Slashdot)
 
and again here: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D02/07/01/18322= 18&mode=3Dthread&tid=3D167
 
http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-July/02675= 2.html (discussion=20 thread of Phoenix Linux user Group)
 
http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/02586= 8.html (discussion=20 thread of Phoenix Linux user Group)
 
http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/02604= 4.html (discussion=20 thread of Phoenix Linux user Group)
 
http://pluglist.mybutt.net/pipermail/plug-discuss/2002-June/02634= 5.html (discussion=20 thread of Phoenix Linux user Group)
 
Alternatives to Microsoft are secure and even used by governments = (Germany, Taiwan) with the cost being inexpesive and the total cost of = ownership being 50% less.
 
We are organizing several meetings about how to handle the Monday = meeting, interested parties can follow along at our website:
 
http://plug.phoenix.az.us/
 
Thank you,
 
Anthony Milbauer
(480) 659-9920
 
 
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