Beginning of Kimi's rant...... I am busy 12 hours a day. I have many tasks that pop up here and there and many contacts. If I did not want to be part of this listing, for the exact reasons you mentioned of being able to ask questions and get answers, then I wouldn't be here. No one has stated at this point that you *have* to be part of a database. My business is making money doing services and selling products that are run by and used on Debian. My business is to know what I do and where my company is going. However, I don't know everything and as much as people wish to think this, I don't know that much outside of running by business with Linux. PLUG and AZOTO have both talked about projects and most people do them so that they can *market* their skills. How is creating a database of those same people creating so much flak on this list? That's what I want to find. A database of skills that will help me help all of you. If someone walks in my door with a need, I want to fulfill it, even if I am not paid. That's the structure of our business and how come we are still here even though many ISP's are out of business or failing. End of Kimi's rant....... At 6/27/02, you wrote: >I'm afraid I didn't sign up to this list to have my email put into a DB with >a list of skills/references on me so that someone can go in there and just >send me email whenever they have a problem. I thought that was what PLUG was >for, to discuss the problem and get multiple points of view and figure out >the best tool for the job. > >It's funny how a LOT of people complain about being on someone's SPAM list >and when they get told "You can just delete it" they get VERY upset. "I >didn't want to be on it in the FIRST place!" Your proposing to do that to >everyone who hates SPAM. > >You talk about not wanting to have to go through all the emails PLUG >generates to find the answers to your issues. *I* do not want to have to go >thought all the PLUG emails AND everyones PERSONAL emails to me to find the >answers I need. I get enough e-mail as it is, I do not need to wade through >more. If someone sees I posted a response to answer a question and they wish >to follow up with me privately, thats fine. But I don't want emails just >coming out of the blue like crazy (NOT that I am saying you will. I am a >newbie afterall, I'm just stating a view point :) The opposite applies. If >someone whishes to give me an answer privately, that is also obviously ok. > >If anything, this idea would HAVE to be an Opt-In, not Opt-Out. Opt-Out is >just as annoyng as MSN/hotmail signing you up for thier spam, not telling >you, and then saying "Oh, well, its OPT-Out..." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimi A. Adams" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: Membership database > > > > The purpose of any website or database that is accessible from outside is > > to get to information. Just like Google and other search engines, it's a > > database that you would search for what you need from people who > > register. Hans stated there is something being worked on for the > > website. I have stated I have something available that can be tweaked to > > preferences. > > > > However you send information about the database is fine by me. SPAM or > > not, if you don't want to read it, delete it. We can promote it on the > > website and on the lists, including the announce list. > > > > I won't go into whether processing time, display time, hard drive space, > > etc. would be available or would take up too much of these resources. The > > point is that I am wanting more to find the information that I am looking > > for instead of having to email the listing and searching through the email > > responses to get what I want or need at the time. > > > > I know there are sites out there where I can search for things that I may > > need or want at any given time, but PLUG people are who I turn to. I want > > to know that if I am looking for this one part or this one service or > > someone who can wave this wand, that I can find it in my own time, rather > > than having to drag myself through lot's of emails and calls that get me > > off track from the "thing" I most want. > > > > Just kinda why I brought this up and how I would like to see things > > improved upon. > > > > Kimi Adams > > Unity Wave > > > > At 6/27/02, you wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My thoughts on a member database. > > > > > >I think it is a great idea. As of right now, we have little information > > >about who is subscribed to any of the mailing lists, other than their >mail > > >address. Some people might consider that a "good thing". > > > > > >Any membership information should be gathered voluntarily. We should not > > >require anyone to add information to the database. We should warn them >that > > >we will collect at least the email address that they are using to >subscribe > > >to a list for the membership database. We do, after all, consider anyone > > >subscribed to any of our mail lists as a PLUG member (makes our numbers >look > > >really great). > > > > > >I bet we could get Brian to capture a snapshot of the current >subscribers' > > >email addresses from Mailman. We could them mass-email all subscribers > > >pointing them to a yet-to-be built web page with a form to fill out as >much > > >or as little information as they want in the database. I bet we could >even > > >set up a mechanism to send new subscribers to get sent there >automatically. > > >Probably should set up a way to delete data when someone unsubscribes. >This > > >is tougher because a person may be subscribed to all the lists but only >be > > >unsubscribing from one or two. > > > > > >As far a web space for members, how much space do we have available that >we > > >can use for members' pages? It is one thing to search the database and > > >display data about one member, but it will take a lot more space if we >set > > >aside even 1M of space for every member. It will take some resources for >the > > >database web page that collects the data and for the database and for the > > >scripts that need to be written. It will take more space to search and > > >display routines based on criteria input (sounds like a job for our PhP > > >gurus). > > > > > >All in all, I consider this a great project. It would be even greater if >we > > >release all the tools after it is done. I am almost surprised that >another > > >UG has not done something like this already. So what do we need in terms >of > > >hardware, software, and manpower? Who is gonna organize it? How many >members > > >would be interested in participating? > > >- -- > > >Jim > > > > > >Freedom is worth protecting > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > > >iQA/AwUBPRta4isk3ywszI1FEQKgpQCeNUk3KndK5/aslwBtPG42kFb6JUYAnR1t > > >qR5NkSwamOTOgLRJ+rIAeJDg > > >=XeNW > > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >________________________________________________ > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >________________________________________________ >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss